Re: [orca-list] Chromium: Not there yet, but making progress!

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

True in many cases. I don't think that's what we're dealing with in this
particular case. We're not retrofitting things as much as we are
translating the baked-in platform-agnostic accessibility support into ATK.

Microsoft and others will be doing the same thing now that Edge is going
to be based on Chromium. Chromium's accessibility support for Windows is
almost entirely MSAA+IAccessible2. Doing the translation from the
baked-in platform-agnostic accessibility support into UIA needs to be
done, as I understand it, for Narrator to provide access to the new Edge.

There have been -- and undoubtedly will continue to be -- things which
that baked-in support didn't anticipate. But I think that's a different
problem than failing to take accessibility into account from the very
beginning.

FWIW.
--joanie

On 3/20/19 2:14 PM, Tom Masterson wrote:
> Now if we could just convince companies t bake accessibility i a the beginning rather than retrofitting 
> thing would be easier.
>
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 20, 2019, at 11:03, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, it is a lot of work -- much of it being done by my colleagues at
> > Igalia with the support of Google's accessibility developers. It takes a
> > village to make an accessible user agent. :)
> >
> > > On 3/20/19 1:20 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via orca-list wrote:
> > > Joanie, thank you very much for your work on what I gather must be a
> > > formidable job.
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
> > > Diggs
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:10 PM
> > > To: Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
> > > Subject: [orca-list] Chromium: Not there yet, but making progress!
> > >
> > > Hey all.
> > >
> > > I promised to update you on the progress being made to make Chromium
> > > accessible via Orca. Structural navigation and *basic* access to static text
> > > content are now possible. Some widgets are also now accessible.
> > > That's the good news.
> > >
> > > That said, please note that there's still a ton that does *not* work
> > > (including text inputs, live regions, complex navigation, text selection,
> > > etc., etc., etc.). Therefore, I'm *not* ready for user testing yet.
> > > Furthermore, in order to get the stuff that does work, you would have to
> > > build Chromium from source (which is not a trivial task in time or in
> > > effort).
> > >
> > > I promise to tell you when I *am* ready for user testing, and at that time,
> > > I will also tell you what you will need to do to perform said testing. In
> > > the meantime, please know that real progress is finally being made. It is my
> > > hope that Orca 3.34 + Chromium Unstable will be a combination you all can
> > > use when GNOME 3.34 ships.
> > >
> > > Onward and upward!
> > > --joanie
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