Re: [orca-list] Chromium: Not there yet, but making progress!

[Halim Sahin <halim sahin t-online de>]

Hi,
Many Thanks all people for their work for a11y at all.

My concerns regarding a11y are these days only the wayland transition.

It's allways smae thing. People doing great and hard job for making
things accessible.
Now if they are allmost finished some guys start a new project which
breaks a11y and the developers start from scratch.

Sorry it's a bit OT now.
MfG.
Halim Sahin

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 02:24:02PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> True in many cases. I don't think that's what we're dealing with in this
> particular case. We're not retrofitting things as much as we are
> translating the baked-in platform-agnostic accessibility support into ATK.
>
> Microsoft and others will be doing the same thing now that Edge is going
> to be based on Chromium. Chromium's accessibility support for Windows is
> almost entirely MSAA+IAccessible2. Doing the translation from the
> baked-in platform-agnostic accessibility support into UIA needs to be
> done, as I understand it, for Narrator to provide access to the new Edge.
>
> There have been -- and undoubtedly will continue to be -- things which
> that baked-in support didn't anticipate. But I think that's a different
> problem than failing to take accessibility into account from the very
> beginning.
>
> FWIW.
> --joanie
>
> On 3/20/19 2:14 PM, Tom Masterson wrote:
> > Now if we could just convince companies t bake accessibility i a the beginning rather than retrofitting 
> > thing would be easier.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 20, 2019, at 11:03, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, it is a lot of work -- much of it being done by my colleagues at
> > > Igalia with the support of Google's accessibility developers. It takes a
> > > village to make an accessible user agent. :)
> > >
> > > > On 3/20/19 1:20 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via orca-list wrote:
> > > > Joanie, thank you very much for your work on what I gather must be a
> > > > formidable job.
> > > >
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Joanmarie
> > > > Diggs
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:10 PM
> > > > To: Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
> > > > Subject: [orca-list] Chromium: Not there yet, but making progress!
> > > >
> > > > Hey all.
> > > >
> > > > I promised to update you on the progress being made to make Chromium
> > > > accessible via Orca. Structural navigation and *basic* access to static text
> > > > content are now possible. Some widgets are also now accessible.
> > > > That's the good news.
> > > >
> > > > That said, please note that there's still a ton that does *not* work
> > > > (including text inputs, live regions, complex navigation, text selection,
> > > > etc., etc., etc.). Therefore, I'm *not* ready for user testing yet.
> > > > Furthermore, in order to get the stuff that does work, you would have to
> > > > build Chromium from source (which is not a trivial task in time or in
> > > > effort).
> > > >
> > > > I promise to tell you when I *am* ready for user testing, and at that time,
> > > > I will also tell you what you will need to do to perform said testing. In
> > > > the meantime, please know that real progress is finally being made. It is my
> > > > hope that Orca 3.34 + Chromium Unstable will be a combination you all can
> > > > use when GNOME 3.34 ships.
> > > >
> > > > Onward and upward!
> > > > --joanie
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