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Re: [orca-list] Clickable table rows on the web

Hello,


Thank you.


My simple test case is working great however that banking site is not.
The problem is that they are attaching their click handlers dynamically based off of CSS classes so I can't just rip a part of the site into a file in an attempt to create more realistic test case. 

What shal I be looking for when reading debug file?
Another observation. The table row and all the text node children have click action. 

Might it be more useful to click such a child node instead?


Greetings


Peter





Dňa 25. 4. 2019 o 13:39 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a):

It turned out that an object was going defunct on us and Orca was
spitting up rather than handling it gracefully. I fixed that issue and
now things are working as expected. Please let me know if it works for
you as well.

--joanie

On 4/25/19 7:34 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Huh. Ok, will take a look. Thanks!
--joanie

On 4/25/19 12:57 AM, Peter Vágner via orca-list wrote:

Hello Joanie,


Sorry for my spam related to this however I have discovered we are
missing something.


These table rows are correctly being presented as clickables. These are
also displayed in the list of clickables.

However finding a clickable in the list and hitting activate does
nothing on these table rows.


I haven't figured out more yet.



Greetings


Peter


Dňa 24. 4. 2019 o 13:44 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):

Hello,

It might be doable to add a unbound script that will either click the
active object if clickable or descend its ancestry to find out nearest
clickable parent and perform the click.

Originally I've assumed such functionality is not needed as flat
review mouse emulation is very usefull and getting better and better
but this will also work on wayland and consider a case where container
is clickable rather than the element with the actual content.
These container elements have just recently been removed from the flat
review presentation that makes the flat review output even more
awesome to read.

That is something I like as well.

I apologize to Nolan and all other people who have requested this
feature in the past and I have commented against it.

Greetings

Peter


Dňa April 24, 2019 7:33:00 AM UTC používateľ "Arkadiusz Kozioł"
<zywek-mailing nvps pl> napísal:

     Is it possible to do click this object such as in nvda, withour
     pressing alt+shift+a and hit Activate button?
     W dniu 23.04.2019 o 22:36, Peter Vágner via orca-list pisze:

     Hello,

     Sometimes I am coming up with strange web authoring issues
     captured from the wild of the web.
     Now it's another of such a rare moments.

     Sometimes web app authors tend to use HTML tables instead of
     lists to create multi column list like widgets.
     When they are creating such widgets it's still quite common that
     keyboard access ends up not implemented.
     With such a widget table rows are resembling items of an
     interactive list. Clicking the table row either selects the item
     or activates it.

     What I have just found out is that orca does not list clickable
     table rows and possibly another page elements as clickables. And
     it neither presents these in the list of clickable elements.

     When considering clickables orca examines if an object is not
     focusable and is not a so called focus mode widget.

     Typical focus mode widgets are text entries, comboboxes, list
     boxes, slider, spin button and similar. These are easy because
     their are usually actionable from the keyboard out of the box.
     When looking at orca web script utilities, Table cell, table row
     and list item are also focus mode widgets. Most likelly I can't
     imagine all the use cases my-self and I can't describe why that
     is a good idea.
     However these should only be considered focus mode widgets when
     they either receive focus or claim that their are able to receive
     focus.
     When this is used for switching focus vs browse mode after
     receiving an event this is all fine.
     However when looking for clickables we are currently looking for
     not focusable objects as well as for objects that are not focus
     mode widgets.
     I think this needs reconsideration because if a widget can be
     considered focus mode widget it should be focusable and keyboard
     controllable. And when looking for clickables we are naturally
     looking for not focusable elements.

     I know this needs more thinking however I'd like to be able to
     click on such clickable table rows in the online banking web app
     I am currently using it's why I have started this.

     I have attached a little example document showcasing what I am
     looking for.

     Can this be reconsidered or can you suggest something else?

     I know this is perhaps very rare and is certainly an authoring
     issue rather than orca issue however it really drives me crazy
     when paying my bills each month.

     I have already contacted my bank technical support about this
     however nothing has changed for a few months so I'm trying my
     luck here.

     BTW a lot of people in the central europe might be affected by
     this. At least this banking app called George is knowingly being
     used in Slovakia, Czech republic, Austria, Romania and Croatia
     and perhaps more countries to follow.
     Unfortunatelly accessibilitywise it has a lot of unimplemented
     features i.e. menus do have aria markup but lack keyboard
     controls. Form navigation is altered significantly. Links and
     buttons are not activatable via the keyboard. Some decorative
     images have text descriptions and interactive image controls may
     miss those and similar.
     Heh but look at their web site how cool their marketing looks
     like :P  https://george-labs.com/
     Most of its defects can be worked around by existing orca
     features however I am unable to compensate for that broken
     accessibility implementation of their transfers list using HTML
     table with clickable rows under the hood.

     Excuse me for the rant and thanks for the help.


     Greetings

     Peter


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