Re: [orca-list] Clickable table rows on the web

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Huh. Ok, will take a look. Thanks!
--joanie

On 4/25/19 12:57 AM, Peter Vágner via orca-list wrote:
> Hello Joanie,
>
>
> Sorry for my spam related to this however I have discovered we are
> missing something.
>
>
> These table rows are correctly being presented as clickables. These are
> also displayed in the list of clickables.
>
> However finding a clickable in the list and hitting activate does
> nothing on these table rows.
>
>
> I haven't figured out more yet.
>
>
>
> Greetings
>
>
> Peter
>
>
> Dňa 24. 4. 2019 o 13:44 Peter Vágner via orca-list napísal(a):
> > Hello,
> >
> > It might be doable to add a unbound script that will either click the
> > active object if clickable or descend its ancestry to find out nearest
> > clickable parent and perform the click.
> >
> > Originally I've assumed such functionality is not needed as flat
> > review mouse emulation is very usefull and getting better and better
> > but this will also work on wayland and consider a case where container
> > is clickable rather than the element with the actual content.
> > These container elements have just recently been removed from the flat
> > review presentation that makes the flat review output even more
> > awesome to read.
> >
> > That is something I like as well.
> >
> > I apologize to Nolan and all other people who have requested this
> > feature in the past and I have commented against it.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Dňa April 24, 2019 7:33:00 AM UTC používateľ "Arkadiusz Kozioł"
> > <zywek-mailing nvps pl> napísal:
> >
> >     Is it possible to do click this object such as in nvda, withour
> >     pressing alt+shift+a and hit Activate button?
> >     W dniu 23.04.2019 o 22:36, Peter Vágner via orca-list pisze:
> > >     Hello,
> > >
> > >     Sometimes I am coming up with strange web authoring issues
> > >     captured from the wild of the web.
> > >     Now it's another of such a rare moments.
> > >
> > >     Sometimes web app authors tend to use HTML tables instead of
> > >     lists to create multi column list like widgets.
> > >     When they are creating such widgets it's still quite common that
> > >     keyboard access ends up not implemented.
> > >     With such a widget table rows are resembling items of an
> > >     interactive list. Clicking the table row either selects the item
> > >     or activates it.
> > >
> > >     What I have just found out is that orca does not list clickable
> > >     table rows and possibly another page elements as clickables. And
> > >     it neither presents these in the list of clickable elements.
> > >
> > >     When considering clickables orca examines if an object is not
> > >     focusable and is not a so called focus mode widget.
> > >
> > >     Typical focus mode widgets are text entries, comboboxes, list
> > >     boxes, slider, spin button and similar. These are easy because
> > >     their are usually actionable from the keyboard out of the box.
> > >     When looking at orca web script utilities, Table cell, table row
> > >     and list item are also focus mode widgets. Most likelly I can't
> > >     imagine all the use cases my-self and I can't describe why that
> > >     is a good idea.
> > >     However these should only be considered focus mode widgets when
> > >     they either receive focus or claim that their are able to receive
> > >     focus.
> > >     When this is used for switching focus vs browse mode after
> > >     receiving an event this is all fine.
> > >     However when looking for clickables we are currently looking for
> > >     not focusable objects as well as for objects that are not focus
> > >     mode widgets.
> > >     I think this needs reconsideration because if a widget can be
> > >     considered focus mode widget it should be focusable and keyboard
> > >     controllable. And when looking for clickables we are naturally
> > >     looking for not focusable elements.
> > >
> > >     I know this needs more thinking however I'd like to be able to
> > >     click on such clickable table rows in the online banking web app
> > >     I am currently using it's why I have started this.
> > >
> > >     I have attached a little example document showcasing what I am
> > >     looking for.
> > >
> > >     Can this be reconsidered or can you suggest something else?
> > >
> > >     I know this is perhaps very rare and is certainly an authoring
> > >     issue rather than orca issue however it really drives me crazy
> > >     when paying my bills each month.
> > >
> > >     I have already contacted my bank technical support about this
> > >     however nothing has changed for a few months so I'm trying my
> > >     luck here.
> > >
> > >     BTW a lot of people in the central europe might be affected by
> > >     this. At least this banking app called George is knowingly being
> > >     used in Slovakia, Czech republic, Austria, Romania and Croatia
> > >     and perhaps more countries to follow.
> > >     Unfortunatelly accessibilitywise it has a lot of unimplemented
> > >     features i.e. menus do have aria markup but lack keyboard
> > >     controls. Form navigation is altered significantly. Links and
> > >     buttons are not activatable via the keyboard. Some decorative
> > >     images have text descriptions and interactive image controls may
> > >     miss those and similar.
> > >     Heh but look at their web site how cool their marketing looks
> > >     like :P  https://george-labs.com/
> > >     Most of its defects can be worked around by existing orca
> > >     features however I am unable to compensate for that broken
> > >     accessibility implementation of their transfers list using HTML
> > >     table with clickable rows under the hood.
> > >
> > >     Excuse me for the rant and thanks for the help.
> > >
> > >
> > >     Greetings
> > >
> > >     Peter
> > >
> > >
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