Is it possible to do click this object such as in nvda, withour
pressing alt+shift+a and hit Activate button?
W dniu 23.04.2019 o 22:36, Peter Vágner
via orca-list pisze:
Hello,
Sometimes I am coming up with strange web authoring issues
captured from the wild of the web.
Now it's another of such a rare moments.
Sometimes web app authors tend to use HTML tables instead of lists
to create multi column list like widgets.
When they are creating such widgets it's still quite common that
keyboard access ends up not implemented.
With such a widget table rows are resembling items of an
interactive list. Clicking the table row either selects the item
or activates it.
What I have just found out is that orca does not list clickable
table rows and possibly another page elements as clickables. And
it neither presents these in the list of clickable elements.
When considering clickables orca examines if an object is not
focusable and is not a so called focus mode widget.
Typical focus mode widgets are text entries, comboboxes, list
boxes, slider, spin button and similar. These are easy because
their are usually actionable from the keyboard out of the box.
When looking at orca web script utilities, Table cell, table row
and list item are also focus mode widgets. Most likelly I can't
imagine all the use cases my-self and I can't describe why that is
a good idea.
However these should only be considered focus mode widgets when
they either receive focus or claim that their are able to receive
focus.
When this is used for switching focus vs browse mode after
receiving an event this is all fine.
However when looking for clickables we are currently looking for
not focusable objects as well as for objects that are not focus
mode widgets.
I think this needs reconsideration because if a widget can be
considered focus mode widget it should be focusable and keyboard
controllable. And when looking for clickables we are naturally
looking for not focusable elements.
I know this needs more thinking however I'd like to be able to
click on such clickable table rows in the online banking web app I
am currently using it's why I have started this.
I have attached a little example document showcasing what I am
looking for.
Can this be reconsidered or can you suggest something else?
I know this is perhaps very rare and is certainly an authoring
issue rather than orca issue however it really drives me crazy
when paying my bills each month.
I have already contacted my bank technical support about this
however nothing has changed for a few months so I'm trying my luck
here.
BTW a lot of people in the central europe might be affected by
this. At least this banking app called George is knowingly being
used in Slovakia, Czech republic, Austria, Romania and Croatia and
perhaps more countries to follow.
Unfortunatelly accessibilitywise it has a lot of unimplemented
features i.e. menus do have aria markup but lack keyboard
controls. Form navigation is altered significantly. Links and
buttons are not activatable via the keyboard. Some decorative
images have text descriptions and interactive image controls may
miss those and similar.
Heh but look at their web site how cool their marketing looks like
:P https://george-labs.com/
Most of its defects can be worked around by existing orca features
however I am unable to compensate for that broken accessibility
implementation of their transfers list using HTML table with
clickable rows under the hood.
Excuse me for the rant and thanks for the help.
Greetings
Peter
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