Re: [orca-list] text console use



Another competitor is edbrowse though the interface is very different from
other browsers it does support a useful subset of javascript.  It is
necessary to hit enter on fields you want to edit once a web page is
opened just like with w3m.  Another emacs browser is eww and that's run
from inside emacs.  Not all distributions have edbrowse available yet so
if the one you use doesn't show the package it will either need adding or
you'll have to download and build yourself.  Once built you need to run
the ebsetup script in the package as a user account in order to get
edbrowse set up and running properly on your system.



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I'm wondering how easy it'd be to add a11y stuff to w3m/elinks as well now since you suggested that. I'm 
definitely curious if that could be added into either. I like browsh, but......I'm not sure what I'm doing 
wrong honestly.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 02:32:28PM +0200, chrys linux-a11y org wrote:
Howdy,

yea the idea is pretty cool. may need some more accessibility work maybe for navigation and stuff. but the concept is awsome. maybe someone can give a talk to the dev to ask for some a11y tweaking.

i think the odd name is a mix from BROWser and SHell. but i dont know any details since i never used it. i just read at phoronix.com about it.

cheers chrys

Zitat von Jace Kattalakis via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>:

I've played around with browsh too (what an odd name) and at least in mate-terminal for me on my laptop, I first had to fight with AWS to even get the thing downloaded, then when I got it working I like the idea. However, as with Jude's example. I ran into issues. I tried going to duckduckgo to do my usual cat videos test search. Sure, I can scroll around, but....and again, this might well be due to runnig it in a terminal, in my quick testing, I didn't find a way to focus a field to, for example, search for cat viddeos in duckduckgo, or even Google. It kept on saying unsupported version. I like the mobile/desktop UA switcher however and I love the idea.....but.....I'm not sure if I was merely doing something wrong just launching browsh after install with no arguments, or if I need to run it in a TTY with Fenrir active as opposed to a terminal? I'll play around with on my desktop to. I like the potential of it hooking into a headless Firefox actually. That's a pretty neat way to do stuff.

Jace

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:58:09AM -0400, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:
OK, I'll shut up and dig more deeply. My bad.

Thanks for this deeper look, Didier.

Janina

Didier Spaier writes:
I just installed it. It speaks both in a console with speakup
and in mate-terminal with orca.

Key bindings from the documentation (don't seem to work in a console):
F1 Opens the documentation (mt in Matae-terminal as that opens the terminal's help instead by default).
ARROW KEYS, PGUP, PGDN Scrolling
CTRL+q Exit app
CTRL+l Focus the URL bar
BACKSPACE Go back in history
CTRL+r Reload page
CTRL+t New tab
CTRL+w Close tab
CTRL+\ Cycle to next tab

ALT+SHIFT+p Takes a screenshot. The status bar will display the saved path
ALT+m Toggles monochrome mode. Useful for overcoming rendering problems on older terminals. ALT+u Toggles the user agent between a desktop and a mobile device. Useful for smaller terminals that want to use a more suitable layout.

Nice try, but far to be as mature as lynx for now.

Best,
Didier

On 10/15/18 11:38 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
I tried browsh and it opens the browsh home page but once that's done it
appears the keyboard does not respond.  It could be I didn't use the
right keys yet and I'm running this browsh command inside my home
directory.  What's supplied is an executable for browsh.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, chrys wrote:

Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:04:36
From: chrys <chrys linux-a11y org>
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] text console use

Howdy Fernando,

take a look at browsh. its a CLI browser based on firefox.
maybe its a start
https://www.brow.sh/


cheers chrys
Am 15.10.18 um 22:11 schrieb Fernando Botelho:
I looked for someone who could implement WebRTC on the console but could not
find anybody. I can look for funding again, if someone knows the right
person.


Fernando



On 10/13/2018 07:08 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:
To play Youtube on a Linux console, use mps-youtube.

About webRTC: I never heard of it until today. The home page says that
Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Android and IOS are supported and there is also
licode:
https://github.com/lynckia/licode

What we need to integrate it with a text web browser like lynx is
developers. Do you volunteer?

Of course a graphical environment is easier to grab. But for those who have
the patience to learn, a text UI is usually as good and usually is more
feature comlete, when it exists.

Stupidly old school? Yes I am, and proud of it.

I didn't grew up on Commodore and stuff, because I used a personal personal computer for the first time in 1978 (yes, 40 years ago) and neither ms-DOS
(1980) nor Commodore 64 (1082) existed then.

Still I was able to use the computer, which obviously had a proprietary OS,
to translate into French its BASIC interpreter (key words and error
messages), all that in 64 Kb of RAM (yes, kilobytes) and not having the
source code at hand.

O Tempora! O Mores!

Best,

Didier

On 10/13/18 6:56 AM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
You find me a CLI browser that can do webRTC and play Youtube without a graphical environment, and I may change my tune but I'd argue a graphical
environment is easir to grab for everyone unless you're stupidly old
school and grew up on Commodore and DOS stuff.


On 12/10/18 20:13, Didier Spaier wrote:
Funnily I would tend to ask the opposite question: why a blind person
would need a graphical environment?

I know at least one blind Slint users who never use one.

I believe that most things done in a graphical environment can also be
done in a console, often with a better productivity. This stands for
blind as well as sighted people.

A few examples: for writing you have a lot of text and code editors like nano, emacs and vim, mutt for emails, lynx and links for web browsing,
mplayer to listen to music, vlc to listen to movies, crafty to play
chess, games like freeswipe or scribble, the list goes on and on.

Actually the first personal computer I used nearly 40 years ago didn't have a graphical environment, maybe that's why I am used to text mode.

Best,

Didier

On 10/12/18 7:48 PM, Michael Weaver via orca-list wrote:
I don't know if this is the right list to ask on as it is not strictly Orca but it is about text screenreaders but is text console use still necessary. I am not quite clear on this point. The reason is that you
can use the terminals in gnome, Mate or maybe other desktops like
mate-terminal from an alt F2 run prompt which is why I ask about text consoles, your CTRL ALT F1 to F6 which don't speak with Orca so need a
different screenreader.

Just curious with projects like Fenrir.
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