I'm wondering how easy it'd be to add a11y stuff to w3m/elinks as well now since you suggested that. I'm definitely curious if that could be added into either. I like browsh, but......I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong honestly. On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 02:32:28PM +0200, chrys linux-a11y org wrote:
Howdy,yea the idea is pretty cool. may need some more accessibility work maybe for navigation and stuff. but the concept is awsome. maybe someone can give a talk to the dev to ask for some a11y tweaking.i think the odd name is a mix from BROWser and SHell. but i dont know any details since i never used it. i just read at phoronix.com about it.cheers chrys Zitat von Jace Kattalakis via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>:I've played around with browsh too (what an odd name) and at least in mate-terminal for me on my laptop, I first had to fight with AWS to even get the thing downloaded, then when I got it working I like the idea. However, as with Jude's example. I ran into issues. I tried going to duckduckgo to do my usual cat videos test search. Sure, I can scroll around, but....and again, this might well be due to runnig it in a terminal, in my quick testing, I didn't find a way to focus a field to, for example, search for cat viddeos in duckduckgo, or even Google. It kept on saying unsupported version. I like the mobile/desktop UA switcher however and I love the idea.....but.....I'm not sure if I was merely doing something wrong just launching browsh after install with no arguments, or if I need to run it in a TTY with Fenrir active as opposed to a terminal? I'll play around with on my desktop to. I like the potential of it hooking into a headless Firefox actually. That's a pretty neat way to do stuff.Jace On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:58:09AM -0400, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:OK, I'll shut up and dig more deeply. My bad. Thanks for this deeper look, Didier. Janina Didier Spaier writes:I just installed it. It speaks both in a console with speakup and in mate-terminal with orca. Key bindings from the documentation (don't seem to work in a console):F1 Opens the documentation (mt in Matae-terminal as that opens the terminal's help instead by default).ARROW KEYS, PGUP, PGDN Scrolling CTRL+q Exit app CTRL+l Focus the URL bar BACKSPACE Go back in history CTRL+r Reload page CTRL+t New tab CTRL+w Close tab CTRL+\ Cycle to next tab ALT+SHIFT+p Takes a screenshot. The status bar will display the saved pathALT+m Toggles monochrome mode. Useful for overcoming rendering problems on older terminals. ALT+u Toggles the user agent between a desktop and a mobile device. Useful for smaller terminals that want to use a more suitable layout.Nice try, but far to be as mature as lynx for now. Best, Didier On 10/15/18 11:38 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:I tried browsh and it opens the browsh home page but once that's done it appears the keyboard does not respond. It could be I didn't use the right keys yet and I'm running this browsh command inside my home directory. What's supplied is an executable for browsh. On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, chrys wrote:Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:04:36 From: chrys <chrys linux-a11y org> To: orca-list gnome org Subject: Re: [orca-list] text console use Howdy Fernando, take a look at browsh. its a CLI browser based on firefox. maybe its a start https://www.brow.sh/ cheers chrys Am 15.10.18 um 22:11 schrieb Fernando Botelho:I looked for someone who could implement WebRTC on the console but could notfind anybody. I can look for funding again, if someone knows the right person. Fernando On 10/13/2018 07:08 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:To play Youtube on a Linux console, use mps-youtube. About webRTC: I never heard of it until today. The home page says that Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Android and IOS are supported and there is also licode: https://github.com/lynckia/licode What we need to integrate it with a text web browser like lynx is developers. Do you volunteer?Of course a graphical environment is easier to grab. But for those who havethe patience to learn, a text UI is usually as good and usually is more feature comlete, when it exists. Stupidly old school? Yes I am, and proud of it.I didn't grew up on Commodore and stuff, because I used a personal personal computer for the first time in 1978 (yes, 40 years ago) and neither ms-DOS(1980) nor Commodore 64 (1082) existed then.Still I was able to use the computer, which obviously had a proprietary OS,to translate into French its BASIC interpreter (key words and error messages), all that in 64 Kb of RAM (yes, kilobytes) and not having the source code at hand. O Tempora! O Mores! Best, Didier On 10/13/18 6:56 AM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:You find me a CLI browser that can do webRTC and play Youtube without a graphical environment, and I may change my tune but I'd argue a graphicalenvironment is easir to grab for everyone unless you're stupidly old school and grew up on Commodore and DOS stuff. On 12/10/18 20:13, Didier Spaier wrote:Funnily I would tend to ask the opposite question: why a blind person would need a graphical environment? I know at least one blind Slint users who never use one.I believe that most things done in a graphical environment can also bedone in a console, often with a better productivity. This stands for blind as well as sighted people.A few examples: for writing you have a lot of text and code editors like nano, emacs and vim, mutt for emails, lynx and links for web browsing,mplayer to listen to music, vlc to listen to movies, crafty to play chess, games like freeswipe or scribble, the list goes on and on.Actually the first personal computer I used nearly 40 years ago didn't have a graphical environment, maybe that's why I am used to text mode.Best, Didier On 10/12/18 7:48 PM, Michael Weaver via orca-list wrote:I don't know if this is the right list to ask on as it is not strictly Orca but it is about text screenreaders but is text console use still necessary. I am not quite clear on this point. The reason is that youcan use the terminals in gnome, Mate or maybe other desktops likemate-terminal from an alt F2 run prompt which is why I ask about text consoles, your CTRL ALT F1 to F6 which don't speak with Orca so need adifferent screenreader. Just curious with projects like Fenrir.______________________________________________________________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.htmlLog bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org-- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.htmlLog bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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