Re: [orca-list] text console use

[chrys linux-a11y org]

Howdy,

yea the idea is pretty cool. may need some more accessibility work  
maybe for navigation and stuff.
but the concept is awsome. maybe someone can give a talk to the dev to  
ask for some a11y tweaking.

i think the odd name is a mix from BROWser and SHell. but i dont know  
any details since i never used it. i just read at phoronix.com about it.

cheers chrys

Zitat von Jace Kattalakis via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>:

> I've played around with browsh too (what an odd name) and at least  
> in mate-terminal for me on my laptop, I first had to fight with AWS  
> to even get the thing downloaded, then when I got it working I like  
> the idea. However, as with Jude's example. I ran into issues. I  
> tried going to duckduckgo to do my usual cat videos test search.  
> Sure, I can scroll around, but....and again, this might well be due  
> to runnig it in a terminal, in my quick testing, I didn't find a way  
> to focus a field to, for example, search for cat viddeos in  
> duckduckgo, or even Google. It kept on saying unsupported version. I  
> like the mobile/desktop UA switcher however and I love the  
> idea.....but.....I'm not sure if I was merely doing something wrong  
> just launching browsh after install with no arguments, or if I need  
> to run it in a TTY with Fenrir active as opposed to a terminal? I'll  
> play around with on my desktop to. I like the potential of it  
> hooking into a headless Firefox actually. That's a pretty neat way  
> to do stuff.
>
> Jace
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:58:09AM -0400, Janina Sajka via orca-list wrote:
> > OK, I'll shut up and dig more deeply. My bad.
> >
> > Thanks for this deeper look, Didier.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Didier Spaier writes:
> > > I just installed it. It speaks both in a console with speakup
> > > and in mate-terminal with orca.
> > >
> > > Key bindings from the documentation (don't seem to work in a console):
> > > F1 Opens the documentation (mt in Matae-terminal as that opens the  
> > > terminal's help instead by default).
> > > ARROW KEYS, PGUP, PGDN Scrolling
> > > CTRL+q Exit app
> > > CTRL+l Focus the URL bar
> > > BACKSPACE Go back in history
> > > CTRL+r Reload page
> > > CTRL+t New tab
> > > CTRL+w Close tab
> > > CTRL+\ Cycle to next tab
> > >
> > > ALT+SHIFT+p Takes a screenshot. The status bar will display the saved path
> > > ALT+m Toggles monochrome mode. Useful for overcoming rendering  
> > > problems on older terminals.
> > > ALT+u Toggles the user agent between a desktop and a mobile  
> > > device. Useful for smaller terminals that want to use a more  
> > > suitable layout.
> > >
> > > Nice try, but far to be as mature as lynx for now.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Didier
> > >
> > > On 10/15/18 11:38 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > > I tried browsh and it opens the browsh home page but once that's done it
> > > > appears the keyboard does not respond.  It could be I didn't use the
> > > > right keys yet and I'm running this browsh command inside my home
> > > > directory.  What's supplied is an executable for browsh.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, chrys wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:04:36
> > > > > From: chrys <chrys linux-a11y org>
> > > > > To: orca-list gnome org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] text console use
> > > > >
> > > > > Howdy Fernando,
> > > > >
> > > > > take a look at browsh. its a CLI browser based on firefox.
> > > > > maybe its a start
> > > > > https://www.brow.sh/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers chrys
> > > > > Am 15.10.18 um 22:11 schrieb Fernando Botelho:
> > > > > > I looked for someone who could implement WebRTC on the console  
> > > > > > but could not
> > > > > > find anybody. I can look for funding again, if someone knows the right
> > > > > > person.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 10/13/2018 07:08 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > > > > > > To play Youtube on a Linux console, use mps-youtube.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About webRTC: I never heard of it until today. The home page says that
> > > > > > > Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Android and IOS are supported and there is also
> > > > > > > licode:
> > > > > > > https://github.com/lynckia/licode
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What we need to integrate it with a text web browser like lynx is
> > > > > > > developers. Do you volunteer?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course a graphical environment is easier to grab. But for  
> > > > > > > those who have
> > > > > > > the patience to learn, a text UI is usually as good and usually is more
> > > > > > > feature comlete, when it exists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stupidly old school? Yes I am, and proud of it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I didn't grew up on Commodore and stuff, because I used a  
> > > > > > > personal personal
> > > > > > > computer for the first time in 1978 (yes, 40 years ago) and  
> > > > > > > neither ms-DOS
> > > > > > > (1980) nor Commodore 64 (1082) existed then.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Still I was able to use the computer, which obviously had a  
> > > > > > > proprietary OS,
> > > > > > > to translate into French its BASIC interpreter (key words and error
> > > > > > > messages), all that in 64 Kb of RAM (yes, kilobytes) and not having the
> > > > > > > source code at hand.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > O Tempora! O Mores!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Didier
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10/13/18 6:56 AM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > > You find me a CLI browser that can do webRTC and play Youtube  
> > > > > > > > without a
> > > > > > > > graphical environment, and I may change my tune but I'd argue  
> > > > > > > > a graphical
> > > > > > > > environment is easir to grab for everyone unless you're stupidly old
> > > > > > > > school and grew up on Commodore and DOS stuff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 12/10/18 20:13, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Funnily I would tend to ask the opposite question: why a blind person
> > > > > > > > > would need a graphical environment?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know at least one blind Slint users who never use one.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I believe that most things done in a graphical environment  
> > > > > > > > > can also be
> > > > > > > > > done in a console, often with a better productivity. This stands for
> > > > > > > > > blind as well as sighted people.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A few examples: for writing you have a lot of text and code  
> > > > > > > > > editors like
> > > > > > > > > nano, emacs and vim, mutt for emails, lynx and links for web  
> > > > > > > > > browsing,
> > > > > > > > > mplayer to listen to music, vlc to listen to movies, crafty to play
> > > > > > > > > chess, games like freeswipe or scribble, the list goes on and on.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Actually the first personal computer I used nearly 40 years  
> > > > > > > > > ago didn't
> > > > > > > > > have a graphical environment, maybe that's why I am used to  
> > > > > > > > > text mode.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Didier
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 10/12/18 7:48 PM, Michael Weaver via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this is the right list to ask on as it is  
> > > > > > > > > > not strictly
> > > > > > > > > > Orca but it is about text screenreaders but is text console  
> > > > > > > > > > use still
> > > > > > > > > > necessary. I am not quite clear on this point. The reason  
> > > > > > > > > > is that you
> > > > > > > > > > can use the terminals in gnome, Mate or maybe other desktops like
> > > > > > > > > > mate-terminal from an alt F2 run prompt which is why I ask  
> > > > > > > > > > about text
> > > > > > > > > > consoles, your CTRL ALT F1 to F6 which don't speak with  
> > > > > > > > > > Orca so need a
> > > > > > > > > > different screenreader.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just curious with projects like Fenrir.
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> > Janina Sajka
> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
> >
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