Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

[Will Estes <westes575 gmail com>]

It's been several years since I dropped emacspeak. And frankly, it's a relief. No more pointless seeing eye 
dog jokes in the manual. I don't even need to read the manual for speechd-el--I just read the manuals for the 
emacs packages I'm learning. No more waiting for emacspeak to "support" new things in emacs. They just work 
because speechd-el just lets emacs be emacs. (vi/m fans generally thing that's not a good thing, but then 
they're using vi/m, and that's just a different use case.)

speechd-el is simpler and smaller. It enables emacs-centric speech output and then gets out of the way.

Emacspeak wants to change how you do everything, whether or not you want that.

On Monday, 26 October 2015,  8:00 am -0500, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com> wrote:

> I haven't tried speechd-el yet, but I've been an Emacspeak user for almost
> 20 years. I can't compare the two, since I only have experience with
> Emacspeak.
>
> I do know the following though:
>
> It isn't true that all of the Emacspeak development is just on adding
> Emacspeak specific functionality that isn't needed. I'm not saying there
> aren't reason to use speechd-el over Emacspeak, and I'm sure there are some
> grains of truth to a statement like this, but it's so generic and using so
> many superlatives, it's almost certainly not true and stated from a
> philosophical position rather than a pragmatic one. I'd ask for more
> specific details before putting any stock in statements like this.
>
> I never found the build process for Emacspeak to be fragile or opaque. It's
> no different than compiling any other source code using a make file.
>
> Emacspeak generally speaks what you need to hear while working with Emacs. I
> virtually never need to use Emacspeak specific key strokes, but they're nice
> to have when I want to drill down for more specific information or get it
> more efficiently.
>
>
> On 10/26/2015 07:43 AM, Will Estes wrote:
> > All the active development on emacspeak is on adding functionality that is emacspeak specific and 
> > generally not needed. It's also, often, things that would be better handled outside of the "screen 
> > reading" component. When I last used emacspeak, I found its build process fragile and opaque.
> >
> > speechd-el, on the other hand, simply lets emacs be emacs -- just with speech output. So you're not 
> > remembering additional screen reader specific commands other than the basics to make speech output the way 
> > you ened it.
> >
> > There is a good tutorial inside emacs itself. speechd-el explains how to get it up and running inside 
> > emacs -- which you could do outside of emacs using another editor if you'd rather. Although the trick 
> > about using emacs in non-windowing mode mentioned on the list earlier is workable, certainly as a starting 
> > point.
> >
> > On Monday, 26 October 2015,  1:34 pm +0100, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I think emacs is really powerfull editor.
> > >
> > > Can some of you knowing it better either give a few words on why you prefer
> > > speechd-el over emacspeak or the other way round?
> > > It appears emacspeak is more active developed than speechd-el.
> > >
> > > Also is there a howto for beginers and noobs looking at learning this?
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > On 26.10.2015 at 09:16 Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > > > On 25/10/2015 22:48, Mike Dupont wrote:
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak check out emacspeak it is
> > > > > supposed to be very good and also allows for access to other things.
> > > > There are also speechd-el. You can find information here :
> > > > http://devel.freebsoft.org/speechd-el
> > > >
> > > > I use this line in my bashrc to make Emacs in CLI automatically :
> > > > alias emacs='emacs -nw'
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Alex.
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> Christopher (CJ)
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Will Estes
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