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Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

Such a paean of praise! I shall have to check speechd-el out some time.  I remember how hugely steep the 
learning curve was for learning Emacspeak and how hard it was to track down manuals and things.  It's part of 
what impelled me to write one.  These days the build process isn't that hard because it's on git hub.  You 
just clone, run your build commands and you're in business.  Keep meaning to update mine but it's worked 
pretty good these past two years and I just don't like messing with it if it works as intended.  

https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak

Alex M


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From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Will Estes
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 8:07 AM
To: Christopher Chaltain
Cc: orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

It's been several years since I dropped emacspeak. And frankly, it's a relief. No more pointless seeing eye 
dog jokes in the manual. I don't even need to read the manual for speechd-el--I just read the manuals for the 
emacs packages I'm learning. No more waiting for emacspeak to "support" new things in emacs. They just work 
because speechd-el just lets emacs be emacs. (vi/m fans generally thing that's not a good thing, but then 
they're using vi/m, and that's just a different use case.)

speechd-el is simpler and smaller. It enables emacs-centric speech output and then gets out of the way.

Emacspeak wants to change how you do everything, whether or not you want that.

On Monday, 26 October 2015,  8:00 am -0500, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com> wrote:


I haven't tried speechd-el yet, but I've been an Emacspeak user for 
almost
20 years. I can't compare the two, since I only have experience with 
Emacspeak.

I do know the following though:

It isn't true that all of the Emacspeak development is just on adding 
Emacspeak specific functionality that isn't needed. I'm not saying 
there aren't reason to use speechd-el over Emacspeak, and I'm sure 
there are some grains of truth to a statement like this, but it's so 
generic and using so many superlatives, it's almost certainly not true 
and stated from a philosophical position rather than a pragmatic one. 
I'd ask for more specific details before putting any stock in statements like this.

I never found the build process for Emacspeak to be fragile or opaque. 
It's no different than compiling any other source code using a make file.

Emacspeak generally speaks what you need to hear while working with 
Emacs. I virtually never need to use Emacspeak specific key strokes, 
but they're nice to have when I want to drill down for more specific 
information or get it more efficiently.


On 10/26/2015 07:43 AM, Will Estes wrote:

All the active development on emacspeak is on adding functionality that is emacspeak specific and 
generally not needed. It's also, often, things that would be better handled outside of the "screen 
reading" component. When I last used emacspeak, I found its build process fragile and opaque.

speechd-el, on the other hand, simply lets emacs be emacs -- just with speech output. So you're not 
remembering additional screen reader specific commands other than the basics to make speech output the way 
you ened it.

There is a good tutorial inside emacs itself. speechd-el explains how to get it up and running inside 
emacs -- which you could do outside of emacs using another editor if you'd rather. Although the trick 
about using emacs in non-windowing mode mentioned on the list earlier is workable, certainly as a starting 
point.

On Monday, 26 October 2015,  1:34 pm +0100, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:


Hello,

I think emacs is really powerfull editor.

Can some of you knowing it better either give a few words on why you 
prefer speechd-el over emacspeak or the other way round?
It appears emacspeak is more active developed than speechd-el.

Also is there a howto for beginers and noobs looking at learning this?

Greetings

Peter

On 26.10.2015 at 09:16 Alex ARNAUD wrote:

On 25/10/2015 22:48, Mike Dupont wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak check out emacspeak it is 
supposed to be very good and also allows for access to other things.

There are also speechd-el. You can find information here :
http://devel.freebsoft.org/speechd-el

I use this line in my bashrc to make Emacs in CLI automatically :
alias emacs='emacs -nw'

Best regards,
Alex.
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