Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I haven't tried speechd-el yet, but I've been an Emacspeak user for 
almost 20 years. I can't compare the two, since I only have experience 
with Emacspeak.

I do know the following though:

It isn't true that all of the Emacspeak development is just on adding 
Emacspeak specific functionality that isn't needed. I'm not saying there 
aren't reason to use speechd-el over Emacspeak, and I'm sure there are 
some grains of truth to a statement like this, but it's so generic and 
using so many superlatives, it's almost certainly not true and stated 
from a philosophical position rather than a pragmatic one. I'd ask for 
more specific details before putting any stock in statements like this.

I never found the build process for Emacspeak to be fragile or opaque. 
It's no different than compiling any other source code using a make file.

Emacspeak generally speaks what you need to hear while working with 
Emacs. I virtually never need to use Emacspeak specific key strokes, but 
they're nice to have when I want to drill down for more specific 
information or get it more efficiently.


On 10/26/2015 07:43 AM, Will Estes wrote:
> All the active development on emacspeak is on adding functionality that is emacspeak specific and generally not needed. 
> It's also, often, things that would be better handled outside of the "screen reading" component. When I last 
> used emacspeak, I found its build process fragile and opaque.
>
> speechd-el, on the other hand, simply lets emacs be emacs -- just with speech output. So you're not 
> remembering additional screen reader specific commands other than the basics to make speech output the way 
> you ened it.
>
> There is a good tutorial inside emacs itself. speechd-el explains how to get it up and running inside emacs 
> -- which you could do outside of emacs using another editor if you'd rather. Although the trick about using 
> emacs in non-windowing mode mentioned on the list earlier is workable, certainly as a starting point.
>
> On Monday, 26 October 2015,  1:34 pm +0100, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I think emacs is really powerfull editor.
> >
> > Can some of you knowing it better either give a few words on why you prefer
> > speechd-el over emacspeak or the other way round?
> > It appears emacspeak is more active developed than speechd-el.
> >
> > Also is there a howto for beginers and noobs looking at learning this?
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 26.10.2015 at 09:16 Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > > On 25/10/2015 22:48, Mike Dupont wrote:
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak check out emacspeak it is
> > > > supposed to be very good and also allows for access to other things.
> > > There are also speechd-el. You can find information here :
> > > http://devel.freebsoft.org/speechd-el
> > >
> > > I use this line in my bashrc to make Emacs in CLI automatically :
> > > alias emacs='emacs -nw'
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Alex.
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