Re: [orca-list] My Fedora 22 Blues

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

Hi, Joanie:

You're correct. I think I wasn't groking what you were saying when first
I read your email.

Is this normal? To have gdm continue live in one tty, while Orca and the
desktop merrily run along in another tty? If so, that's new to me.
Fedora 21 didn't behave that way for me, nor any previous Fedora.

Is it configurable as far afayk? I can't see how it adds value, at least
not to me.

Janina


Joanmarie Diggs writes:
> Hi Janina.
>
> When I return from the console to tty 1, I get a gdm screen. Usually I
> have speech, but if speech-dispatcher is not speaking, toggling Orca off
> and on again with Super+Alt+S solves it. I'll add that to my
> to-look-into list. In the meantime, after I log back in, the Orca I left
> running in my user session resumes speaking. Is there any chance you're
> in gdm but didn't realize it due to lack of speech?
>
> --joanie
>
> On 06/05/2015 07:11 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I appreciate all the thoughts conveyed to my problem. But, I think
> > what's actually happening on my system has become muddled in the
> > process.
> >
> > I have no problem with Speakup, or with moving among the 23 open
> > consoles I have running Speakup.
> >
> > The problem is Orca and Speech-Dispatcher -- or something in the GUI.
> > Once I leave tty1 where the GUI is, I can run Speakup all day, changing
> > consoles as much as I might want. But, when I return to tty 1, there's
> > no response whatsoever. Orca doesn't speak, and as far as I can tell,
> > nothing else is responding in any way.
> >
> > For instance, I cannot do:
> >
> > Alt F2
> >
> > aplay ~/myfile.wav
> >
> > Not even if I add something like "-D plughw:4" to the above command.
> > Yes, I have multiple audio devices.
> >
> > Which leads me to a thought. I suppose I should try putting
> > Speech-Dispatcher on a completely separate device. I haven't need that
> > since using my ICE17724 device, but I suppose this would be worth a try.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > kendell clark writes:
> > hi
> > I seriously doubt fedora would do anything like that deliberately. If
> > they had, there would be a change log entry. Pulse is a problem for
> > speakup, no doubt about it, but otherwise usually just works. This is
> > really a speakup problem and needs to be fixed by the speakup devs,
> > because pulse audio isn't going away. Now that I've said all that, I
> > don't know  how to solve the problem reliably. If you can get into the
> > gui, make sure speakup is running, and then run sudo espeakup, while
> > in the gui. After that, speakup should work as normal. It's something
> > to do with pulseaudio and speakup conflicting with each other. Just as
> > an aside, speech-dispatcher's alsa support really leaves something to
> > be desired. It frequently crashes when using espeak
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > I have pulse disabled the usual way I've been disabling it ever
> > > > > since Redhat foisted pulse on us.
> > > > >
> > > > > /usr/bin/pulseaudio is a 0-byte file chmod 444 owned by root:root.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speech-Dispatcher has been told to use alsa.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: I actually suspect something explicitly Fedora. I'm suspicious 
> > > > > there's some new setting designed to keep newbies locked onto the
> > > > > gui, lest they stray into console land and freak out. That kind of
> > > > > quote unquote feature wouldn't surprise me. I guess I should troll
> > > > > the change log.
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason White writes:
> > > > > > covici ccs covici com <covici ccs covici com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I bet it has something to do with pulse audio -- do you have a
> > > > > > > hardware synth to use with speakup to check?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's also worth noting that I can't reproduce any of these issues
> > > > > > under Arch Linux with Pulseaudio, GNOME and Orca installed. It's
> > > > > > something Fedora-specific, apparently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> > > > > > list orca-list gnome org 
> > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> > > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> > > > > > manual is at
> > > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> > > > > > out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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