[orca-list] Partially Solved: Fedora 22 Blues
- From: Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>
- To: orca-list gnome org
- Subject: [orca-list] Partially Solved: Fedora 22 Blues
- Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 22:44:13 -0400
So, I've figured out my problem mostly. However, there's certainly at
least one bug against Fedora 22.
It helped to put speech-dispatcher on its own audio device. That brought
up a speaking gdm by default, which is nice. Ordinarily, I let my
speech-dispatcher and speakup-connector share the same ice1724 driver
because they can, and because that gives me an additional audio device.
I don't usually really need a talking gdm.
However, to try and figure out what was happening, I put
speech-dispatcher on its own audio device. That was enlightening. gdm is
not releasing speech-dispatcher following login, so orca doesn't come up
talking until I go to a cli somewhere and do a "killall
speech-dispatcher." I will find out whether it's just something funky on
this particular machine, because it's a bug otherwise.
My desktop turns out to be split across two tty's. I have gui related
pids on tty 1 -- which is where I've been expecting Orca, and on tty 25
-- where I didn't look until a reboot for unrelated reasons clued me
that my last login was on tty 25!
So, how and why I'm split across two ttys is the next thing to figure
out. Again, it might be peculiar to this machine. I will poke around
under /etc/systemd for any config tweaks I may have made. Meanwhile,
here's how things split on the current boot:
root concerto 22:42:28 ~#ps -t tty1
PID TTY TIME CMD
8765 tty1 00:00:00 gdm-wayland-ses
8767 tty1 00:00:00 dbus-daemon
8768 tty1 00:00:00 gnome-session
8775 tty1 00:00:03 gnome-shell
8780 tty1 00:00:00 gvfsd
8831 tty1 00:00:00 Xwayland
8838 tty1 00:00:00 at-spi-bus-laun
8841 tty1 00:00:00 dbus-daemon
8845 tty1 00:00:00 at-spi2-registr
8852 tty1 00:00:00 ibus-daemon
8856 tty1 00:00:00 ibus-dconf
8858 tty1 00:00:00 ibus-x11
8876 tty1 00:00:00 gnome-settings-
8881 tty1 00:00:00 gvfs-udisks2-vo
8892 tty1 00:00:00 gvfs-gphoto2-vo
8896 tty1 00:00:00 gvfs-afc-volume
8956 tty1 00:00:02 orca
9001 tty1 00:00:00 ibus-engine-sim
root concerto 22:43:25 ~#ps -t tty24
PID TTY TIME CMD
9183 tty24 00:00:00 gdm-x-session
9185 tty24 00:00:02 Xorg
9238 tty24 00:00:00 dbus-daemon
9241 tty24 00:00:00 gnome-session
9311 tty24 00:00:00 gvfsd
9315 tty24 00:00:00 gvfsd-fuse
9320 tty24 00:00:00 xfconfd
9497 tty24 00:00:00 at-spi-bus-laun
9500 tty24 00:00:00 dbus-daemon
9504 tty24 00:00:01 at-spi2-registr
9520 tty24 00:00:00 gnome-settings-
9533 tty24 00:00:00 dconf-service
9538 tty24 00:00:02 gnome-shell
9567 tty24 00:00:00 gsd-printer
9589 tty24 00:00:00 gnome-shell-cal
9593 tty24 00:00:00 evolution-sourc
9595 tty24 00:00:00 ibus-daemon
9600 tty24 00:00:00 ibus-dconf
9602 tty24 00:00:00 ibus-x11
9613 tty24 00:00:00 goa-daemon
9624 tty24 00:00:00 mission-control
9634 tty24 00:00:00 gvfs-udisks2-vo
9648 tty24 00:00:00 gvfs-gphoto2-vo
9655 tty24 00:00:00 gvfs-afc-volume
9716 tty24 00:00:00 abrt-applet
9719 tty24 00:00:00 kded5
9720 tty24 00:00:00 seapplet
9723 tty24 00:00:00 evolution-alarm
9725 tty24 00:00:00 zeitgeist-datah
9726 tty24 00:00:00 nautilus
9728 tty24 00:00:00 tracker-miner-f
9732 tty24 00:00:01 tracker-store
9737 tty24 00:00:00
zeitgeist-daemo
9738 tty24 00:00:00
tracker-miner-u
9740 tty24 00:00:00
deja-dup-monito
9749 tty24 00:00:00
tracker-miner-a
9751 tty24 00:00:07
tracker-extract
9783 tty24 00:00:00
evolution-calen
9844 tty24 00:00:00
gvfsd-trash
9874 tty24 00:00:00
evolution-calen
9891 tty24 00:00:00
evolution-addre
9896 tty24 00:00:00
evolution-calen
9954 tty24 00:00:00
evolution-addre
9992 tty24 00:00:00
ibus-engine-sim
10036 tty24 00:00:00
gvfsd-burn
10044 tty24 00:00:00
zeitgeist-fts
10072 tty24 00:00:00
gvfsd-metadata
10570 tty24 00:00:00
orca
10577 tty24 00:00:00
sd_espeak
kendell clark writes:
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hi
I've noticed a few cases where pressing the log out, switch users
button, or if gnome crashes and you have to press log out to go back
to gdm, the x server is killed but gdm doesn't show back up. This
isn't an orca bug though, but this could also be the problem. I'll
look into it now, and file a bug. Problem is, it's intermittent.
Sometimes it goes back to the login screen, sometimes it doesn't. I
hate intermittent bugs ...
Thanks
Kendell clark
Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
Hi Janina.
When I return from the console to tty 1, I get a gdm screen.
Usually I have speech, but if speech-dispatcher is not speaking,
toggling Orca off and on again with Super+Alt+S solves it. I'll add
that to my to-look-into list. In the meantime, after I log back in,
the Orca I left running in my user session resumes speaking. Is
there any chance you're in gdm but didn't realize it due to lack of
speech?
--joanie
On 06/05/2015 07:11 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
I appreciate all the thoughts conveyed to my problem. But, I
think what's actually happening on my system has become muddled
in the process.
I have no problem with Speakup, or with moving among the 23 open
consoles I have running Speakup.
The problem is Orca and Speech-Dispatcher -- or something in the
GUI. Once I leave tty1 where the GUI is, I can run Speakup all
day, changing consoles as much as I might want. But, when I
return to tty 1, there's no response whatsoever. Orca doesn't
speak, and as far as I can tell, nothing else is responding in
any way.
For instance, I cannot do:
Alt F2
aplay ~/myfile.wav
Not even if I add something like "-D plughw:4" to the above
command. Yes, I have multiple audio devices.
Which leads me to a thought. I suppose I should try putting
Speech-Dispatcher on a completely separate device. I haven't need
that since using my ICE17724 device, but I suppose this would be
worth a try.
Janina
kendell clark writes: hi I seriously doubt fedora would do
anything like that deliberately. If they had, there would be a
change log entry. Pulse is a problem for speakup, no doubt about
it, but otherwise usually just works. This is really a speakup
problem and needs to be fixed by the speakup devs, because pulse
audio isn't going away. Now that I've said all that, I don't know
how to solve the problem reliably. If you can get into the gui,
make sure speakup is running, and then run sudo espeakup, while
in the gui. After that, speakup should work as normal. It's
something to do with pulseaudio and speakup conflicting with each
other. Just as an aside, speech-dispatcher's alsa support really
leaves something to be desired. It frequently crashes when using
espeak Thanks Kendell clark
Janina Sajka wrote:
I have pulse disabled the usual way I've been disabling it
ever since Redhat foisted pulse on us.
/usr/bin/pulseaudio is a 0-byte file chmod 444 owned by
root:root.
Speech-Dispatcher has been told to use alsa.
PS: I actually suspect something explicitly Fedora. I'm
suspicious there's some new setting designed to keep
newbies locked onto the gui, lest they stray into console
land and freak out. That kind of quote unquote feature
wouldn't surprise me. I guess I should troll the change
log.
Janina
Jason White writes:
covici ccs covici com <covici ccs covici com> wrote:
I bet it has something to do with pulse audio -- do you
have a hardware synth to use with speakup to check?
It's also worth noting that I can't reproduce any of
these issues under Arch Linux with Pulseaudio, GNOME and
Orca installed. It's something Fedora-specific,
apparently.
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The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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