Re: [orca-list] My Fedora 22 Blues

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

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hi
I've noticed a few cases where pressing the log out, switch users
button, or if gnome crashes and you have to press log out to go back
to gdm,  the x server is killed but gdm doesn't show back up. This
isn't an orca bug though, but this could also be the problem. I'll
look into it now, and file a bug. Problem is, it's intermittent.
Sometimes it goes back to the login screen, sometimes it doesn't. I
hate intermittent bugs ...
Thanks
Kendell clark


Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi Janina.
>
> When I return from the console to tty 1, I get a gdm screen.
> Usually I have speech, but if speech-dispatcher is not speaking,
> toggling Orca off and on again with Super+Alt+S solves it. I'll add
> that to my to-look-into list. In the meantime, after I log back in,
> the Orca I left running in my user session resumes speaking. Is
> there any chance you're in gdm but didn't realize it due to lack of
> speech?
>
> --joanie
>
> On 06/05/2015 07:11 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I appreciate all the thoughts conveyed to my problem. But, I
> > think what's actually happening on my system has become muddled
> > in the process.
> >
> > I have no problem with Speakup, or with moving among the 23 open 
> > consoles I have running Speakup.
> >
> > The problem is Orca and Speech-Dispatcher -- or something in the
> > GUI. Once I leave tty1 where the GUI is, I can run Speakup all
> > day, changing consoles as much as I might want. But, when I
> > return to tty 1, there's no response whatsoever. Orca doesn't
> > speak, and as far as I can tell, nothing else is responding in
> > any way.
> >
> > For instance, I cannot do:
> >
> > Alt F2
> >
> > aplay ~/myfile.wav
> >
> > Not even if I add something like "-D plughw:4" to the above
> > command. Yes, I have multiple audio devices.
> >
> > Which leads me to a thought. I suppose I should try putting 
> > Speech-Dispatcher on a completely separate device. I haven't need
> > that since using my ICE17724 device, but I suppose this would be
> > worth a try.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > kendell clark writes: hi I seriously doubt fedora would do
> > anything like that deliberately. If they had, there would be a
> > change log entry. Pulse is a problem for speakup, no doubt about
> > it, but otherwise usually just works. This is really a speakup
> > problem and needs to be fixed by the speakup devs, because pulse
> > audio isn't going away. Now that I've said all that, I don't know
> > how to solve the problem reliably. If you can get into the gui,
> > make sure speakup is running, and then run sudo espeakup, while 
> > in the gui. After that, speakup should work as normal. It's
> > something to do with pulseaudio and speakup conflicting with each
> > other. Just as an aside, speech-dispatcher's alsa support really
> > leaves something to be desired. It frequently crashes when using
> > espeak Thanks Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > I have pulse disabled the usual way I've been disabling it
> > > > > ever since Redhat foisted pulse on us.
> > > > >
> > > > > /usr/bin/pulseaudio is a 0-byte file chmod 444 owned by
> > > > > root:root.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speech-Dispatcher has been told to use alsa.
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: I actually suspect something explicitly Fedora. I'm
> > > > > suspicious there's some new setting designed to keep
> > > > > newbies locked onto the gui, lest they stray into console
> > > > > land and freak out. That kind of quote unquote feature
> > > > > wouldn't surprise me. I guess I should troll the change
> > > > > log.
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason White writes:
> > > > > > covici ccs covici com <covici ccs covici com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I bet it has something to do with pulse audio -- do you
> > > > > > > have a hardware synth to use with speakup to check?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's also worth noting that I can't reproduce any of
> > > > > > these issues under Arch Linux with Pulseaudio, GNOME and
> > > > > > Orca installed. It's something Fedora-specific,
> > > > > > apparently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________ orca-list
> > > > > > mailing list orca-list gnome org 
> > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit 
> > > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > > The manual is at 
> > > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.h
tml
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at
> > > > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
> > > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
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> is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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