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Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

Well said Devin.
I am really happy to see pretty much every post in this conversation taking reasonable and even at times 
somewhat inspiring tones. 
Of course we do have a similar conversation every few months it seems, and that is probably not so necesary, 
but even if we do need to hear our own voices semi-anually as long as we keep on with the 
"Keep the good, and keep looking for the better" attitude it is not so bad...lol
Of course the average user could care less what is under the hood as long as it works well, and is not hard 
to use, so at timesone can innovate while keeping the look and feel more or less consistent. 
I seldom see non geeks complaining about some invisible in the interface code change, it's more when the 
comfortable interface gets tweaked or totally reworked that the hounds start to howl. 


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  Devin Prater wrote:
Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 04:37:32PM -0500


Indeed. I think that Linux users are in a unique position to make interesting new innovations for screen 
readers. Just as Jaws used a virtual buffer and quick keys, and screen readers use them ever since, I think 
Orca, with the dreaming of blind people like us, could lead the other screen readers down from a tiny 
stream of innovations to an ocean of advances. I would propose that we all think of new things, new ideas 
for doing old things, and see what can be coded.  .

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 25, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com> wrote:

My own opinion is that we should keep our options open to new and better ways of doing things. I'd hate 
to think that NVDA is as good as it's ever going to get and that other screen reader developers couldn't 
come up with some new and more innovative ideas. Also, why are NVDA and Talk Back being singled out? What 
about JAWS, VoiceOver, Window Eyes, ChromeVox and so on? Sure, if everyone agrees that NVDA has come up 
with the best way to do something, and it's OK to copy that in Orca, then I'm all for it. I'm just not 
always convinced that doing it just because it was done this way in Windows once means we should 
automatically do that in Linux or Orca. I use NVDA, VoiceOver, JAWS, ChromeVox and Talk Back in addition 
to Speakup, Emacspeak and Orca, and I'm not opposed to learning something new if I think it's a superior 
way of doing things. There are plenty of things I prefer about Linux and Orca over Windows. Also, if I 
wanted Linux and Orca to look just like Windows and NVDA

  then I could just run Windows and NVDA.



On 08/25/2015 01:32 PM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
My own two cents on this is that anything that brings Orca settings
closer to NVDA or TalkBack settings is good; just so there is an easier
transition for folks coming to Linux.

Anything that ties Orca too deeply to Gnome and makes it more difficult
to use it in mate and others is bad.

Best,

Fernando





On 08/25/2015 03:20 PM, Tom Masterson wrote:
Will this still allow us to do some seetings during an istallation
such as using braille or setting it for a laptop keyboard while in an
installer? Currently we can do that with orca preferences.

Tom


On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Josh K wrote:

yes putting the orca gui in the main settings pannel would be nice so
when you hit the orca control panel command it brings
it up and if you want you could change other settings also. just
maybe put in an apply button and a revert to previous
settings button or cancel or something like that.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982
On 8/25/2015 11:40 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
     Howdy,
     I am in favor for cleaning up the current GUI. I guess changing
it would be ok, but I like the current layout.
     Thanks
     Storm
     On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 04:41:51PM +0200, chrys87 web de wrote:
             Hi Joanie, Hi list,

             >>Ultimately the goal is to migrate everything over to
gsettings and move
             the GUI out of Orca and into desktop environment
control centers.Do you
             think its a good idea to integrade it into gcc or
something? not everyone
             out not everyone use gnome, mate or co. there people
just running a window
             manager. so there not able to configure orca without gcc?
             maybe its a good idea to provide a GUI into orca but
that could be
             integrated into gcc?
             to megrate all that stuff to gsettings is a good idea.
I m currently try
             this with ocrdesktop. its really handy.

             >>But given that I keep failing to get to that, if you
want to redo it
             all, go for it! :)
             I would really like to give a try.
             By the way, is there a reason why the orca-setup.ui is not
             created/modified with glade? i see many differences if
a open and save the
             .ui file in glade 3.16. i now tried to integrade my gui
without using
             glade. its not really handy to this large XML like
structure in an text
             editor ^^.

             Any ideas or mocups how a new GUI should looks like?
this are my Ideas:
             - Many other screenreaders does provide a "context
menue" similar
             structure. with entrys like "braille", "speak"... if
you press enter ont
             that entrys a window appears with just the
corresponding settings (NVDA
             did it this way i think)
             - An other idea could be to provide a "listbox" with
the settings
             categorys. if you do a click on that category, the
categorys fade out and
             you are on a new "page" with the corresponding
settings. (its similar to
             the most smartphones). if you press esc or "back" you
are in the categorys
             again. mybe here we could also implement an just type
search for settings.
             i would prefer this.
             - we could just clean up the current GUI and do not
change the behaviour.

             what do you guys out there think about?

             cheers chrys
             Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2015 um 00:59 Uhr
             Von: "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs igalia com>
             An: chrys87 <chrys87 web de>, orca-list gnome org
             Betreff: Re: [orca-list] To help test the beeping
progress bars
             Hi Chrys.

             I agree about the GUI cleanup. Ultimately the goal is
to migrate
             everything over to gsettings and move the GUI out of
Orca and into
             desktop environment control centers. But given that I
keep failing to
             get to that, if you want to redo it all, go for it! :)

             Thanks!
             --joanie

             On 08/24/2015 06:28 PM, chrys87 wrote:
             > thanks for sharing that ^^, meanwhile i copied TB of
data for having
             > progress bars XD.
             > By the way:
             >
             > current changelog:
             > - i fixed the accidentally broken labels in the
progress bar section
             > - the beep is now 75 ms
             > - you can now both (voice announcement and beep)
enabled via the
             checkboxes
             > - gstreamer is now optional
             > - currently i m working on a sounde volume scale. but
now i go asleep
             :).
             >
             > after that i have to optimize the GUI integration
(but there is many
             > time until 3.20 ;) ).
             >
             > IMO the orca GUI code has to be cleared up. maybe i
try to do this next
             > if joanie has nothing against it? or what about a
little redesign of the
             > GUI? maybe more "context menu like"?
             > what does the list think about a new shine settings
GUI? or what did you
             > think about joanie?
             >
             > Am 25.08.2015 um 00:14 schrieb Storm Dragon:
             >> Howdy,
             >> So the new beeping progress bars rock, but sometimes
it's hard to
             >> figure out something to do on demand that requires a
progress bar. I,
             >> therefore, have written a tiny bash app to solve
this. You can change
             >> the delay variable at the top if you would like to
see how the beeps
             >> respond to different times. The delay is in seconds,
and can be a
             >> decimal. Attached is progress.sh.
             >> To get the latest code for the progress bar beeps:
             >> git clone https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep.git
             >> cd orca-beep
             >> Then, for arch users:
             >> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
--localstatedir=/var
             >> make
             >> sudo make install
             >> HTH
             >> Storm
             >>
             >>
             >> _______________________________________________
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             >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more
information on Orca.
             >> The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
             >> The FAQ is at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
             >> Log bugs and feature requests at
http://bugzilla.gnome.org
             >> Find out how to help at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
             > The FAQ is at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
             > Log bugs and feature requests at
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The manual is at
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


-- 
Christopher (CJ)
chaltain at Gmail
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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