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Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

My own two cents on this is that anything that brings Orca settings closer to NVDA or TalkBack settings is good; just so there is an easier transition for folks coming to Linux.
Anything that ties Orca too deeply to Gnome and makes it more difficult to use it in mate and others is bad. 

Best,

Fernando




On 08/25/2015 03:20 PM, Tom Masterson wrote:
Will this still allow us to do some seetings during an istallation such as using braille or setting it for a laptop keyboard while in an installer? Currently we can do that with orca preferences. 

Tom

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Josh K wrote:
yes putting the orca gui in the main settings pannel would be nice so when you hit the orca control panel command it brings it up and if you want you could change other settings also. just maybe put in an apply button and a revert to previous 
settings button or cancel or something like that.

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On 8/25/2015 11:40 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
      Howdy,
I am in favor for cleaning up the current GUI. I guess changing it would be ok, but I like the current layout. 
      Thanks
      Storm
      On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 04:41:51PM +0200, chrys87 web de wrote:
              Hi Joanie, Hi list,
>>Ultimately the goal is to migrate everything over to gsettings and move the GUI out of Orca and into desktop environment control centers.Do you think its a good idea to integrade it into gcc or something? not everyone out not everyone use gnome, mate or co. there people just running a window 
              manager. so there not able to configure orca without gcc?
maybe its a good idea to provide a GUI into orca but that could be 
              integrated into gcc?
to megrate all that stuff to gsettings is a good idea. I m currently try 
              this with ocrdesktop. its really handy.
>>But given that I keep failing to get to that, if you want to redo it 
              all, go for it! :)
              I would really like to give a try.
              By the way, is there a reason why the orca-setup.ui is not
created/modified with glade? i see many differences if a open and save the .ui file in glade 3.16. i now tried to integrade my gui without using glade. its not really handy to this large XML like structure in an text 
              editor ^^.
Any ideas or mocups how a new GUI should looks like? this are my Ideas: - Many other screenreaders does provide a "context menue" similar structure. with entrys like "braille", "speak"... if you press enter ont that entrys a window appears with just the corresponding settings (NVDA 
              did it this way i think)
- An other idea could be to provide a "listbox" with the settings categorys. if you do a click on that category, the categorys fade out and you are on a new "page" with the corresponding settings. (its similar to the most smartphones). if you press esc or "back" you are in the categorys again. mybe here we could also implement an just type search for settings. 
              i would prefer this.
- we could just clean up the current GUI and do not change the behaviour. 

              what do you guys out there think about?

              cheers chrys
              Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2015 um 00:59 Uhr
              Von: "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs igalia com>
              An: chrys87 <chrys87 web de>, orca-list gnome org
Betreff: Re: [orca-list] To help test the beeping progress bars 
              Hi Chrys.
I agree about the GUI cleanup. Ultimately the goal is to migrate everything over to gsettings and move the GUI out of Orca and into desktop environment control centers. But given that I keep failing to 
              get to that, if you want to redo it all, go for it! :)

              Thanks!
              --joanie

              On 08/24/2015 06:28 PM, chrys87 wrote:
> thanks for sharing that ^^, meanwhile i copied TB of data for having 
              > progress bars XD.
              > By the way:
              >
              > current changelog:
> - i fixed the accidentally broken labels in the progress bar section 
              > - the beep is now 75 ms
> - you can now both (voice announcement and beep) enabled via the 
              checkboxes
              > - gstreamer is now optional
> - currently i m working on a sounde volume scale. but now i go asleep 
              :).
              >
> after that i have to optimize the GUI integration (but there is many 
              > time until 3.20 ;) ).
              >
> IMO the orca GUI code has to be cleared up. maybe i try to do this next > if joanie has nothing against it? or what about a little redesign of the 
              > GUI? maybe more "context menu like"?
> what does the list think about a new shine settings GUI? or what did you 
              > think about joanie?
              >
              > Am 25.08.2015 um 00:14 schrieb Storm Dragon:
              >> Howdy,
>> So the new beeping progress bars rock, but sometimes it's hard to >> figure out something to do on demand that requires a progress bar. I, >> therefore, have written a tiny bash app to solve this. You can change >> the delay variable at the top if you would like to see how the beeps >> respond to different times. The delay is in seconds, and can be a 
              >> decimal. Attached is progress.sh.
              >> To get the latest code for the progress bar beeps:
              >> git clone https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep.git
              >> cd orca-beep
              >> Then, for arch users:
>> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var 
              >> make
              >> sudo make install
              >> HTH
              >> Storm
              >>
              >>
              >> _______________________________________________
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              >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. 
              >> The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp 
              >
              >
              >
              > _______________________________________________
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              > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. 
              > The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp 
              >


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              . http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp







_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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