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Re: [orca-list] Heads-up: I've branched for 3.14 and please test master

Hello,
I think this has some overlapping functionality with the focus vs browse mode switching but I am not sure we can entirely remove this option. This switches whether orca allows Firefox to control positioning its caret after enabling it within Firefox e.g. by pressing the F7 key or orca will control the caret position. This will only affect orca in browse mode as when switched to focus mode orca ignores caret control and relies on what Firefox has to offer. I think there is certain level of redundancy also with the structural navigation keys toggle. We can already emulate its behaviour by pressing orca+a two times in a quick succession to enable so called sticky focus mode. I am afraid I can't predict all the impact my self but as I understand it now is that sticky focus mode now supersedes both orca vs gecko caret control toggle and also structural navigation keys toggle. 

Greetings

Peter

On 03.09.2014 at 11:18 Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Ok,
So what is the difference between having control carrot navigation checked vs unchecked? 
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Wednesday 03 September 2014 02:44 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,
I am unable to speak accuratelly regarding performance etc but there is definatelly one thing I believe I can clear up for you. There are two automatic focus mode switching related options in orca preferences specific to Firefox / Gecko. One is saying automatic focus mode during caret navigation and the other automatic focus mode during structural navigation. When you move using tab and shift+tab, when you move using the mouse or when web site specific event moves the focus all these events are not structural navigation nor caret browsing. For these events orca automatically switches to focus mode when focusable element is found within the document content and there is no option to change this behaviour. Caret navigation is when you are using your cursor keys e.g. constantly pressing down arrow and you land on a document content element which is focusable. At this situation option automatic focus mode during caret navigation comes into play. Also option automatic focus mode during structural navigation is kinda self explanatory after saying all this. It controls whether to in deed switch into focus mode after you have used so called single letter quick command keys used for navigating by certain elements in a document such as e for text entries, c for comboboxes etc. 

Greetings

Peter



On 03.09.2014 o 10:45 Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Works so well.
This is really performant I can say for sure.
Even Thunderbird is more efficient now.
Just my question hasn't been answered about the carrot navigation mode.
I wish to know this because pedagogically I have to make tutorials for Orca and I was just waiting for this to get stable. So again, if control carrot navigation is unchecked, how is it impacting performance? And even aftre unchecking the check box for automatic focus mode during carrot navigation, why is Orca automatically changing focus mode and browse mode while tab or shift tab is pressed? 
I guess I am misunderstanding some thing here.
Other than that, realy great work.
To be frank joanie?
The reason I took up the documentation work for the APIs is due to such marvelous work on web acccessibility. 
I will be asking a few questions regarding the code soon.
They are going to be very specific.
Any ways thanks again for this brillient work.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
On Wednesday 03 September 2014 12:59 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,
I apologize for the noyse. It turned out this was really an issue on my end rather than issue with orca and firefox. I have created a testing user account on my computer with fresh Firefox profile and verified it does not happen there. Then I have noticed the issue goes away even with my existing user account and firefox configuration when I change to full screen by pressing F11 key. I was unable to figure out what's displayed there but I fixed it by going to firefox main menu -> View -> Toolbars -> Customize and used flat review and orca mouse emulation features to activate an item saying reset to defaults. Customize toolbars window is not verry accessible so it's likelly I must have previously accidentally enabled something in there. 

Greetings

Peter

On 03.09.2014 at 02:14 Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hey Peter.

I tried this. I cannot reproduce the problem. Specifically:

On 09/02/2014 05:26 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:


0) make sure both orca and firefox are started.
1) Open the page http://live.gnome.org/Orca in Firefox.
2) With this page open press alt+d to focuss the address bar.
3) Repeatedly press shift+tab keys until orca announces something like 
"Rethat link".

So far so good. Works as described.
4) Now press the tab key alone and notice you hear orca presenting "entry".
I do not. Orca presents the page tab within Firefox associated with the 
current web page. No entries. And I can continue tabbing and
shift+tabbing. Based on your description, however, I'm wondering if you 
have some addon or plugin or something showing you some entry that I
don't have and which is not letting you Tab out of.
5) Now press either the tab key alone or one of the arrow keys in order 
to find out you can't move and you are stuck in this position.

Again, doesn't happen to me.


I was not sure whether this is an orca or a firefox issue but now it
appears it is also happening for me even when switching off orca after 
performing step 3 in the list above. So either orca was working this
around all the time up to now or this is a new firefox issue.

I doubt it was Orca working around it. Again, Orca does not take over
Tab nor does it re-position you as a result of pressing Tab. Tab puts
you wherever Tab puts you if Orca were not running.
I'm still curious if you have an entry that I don't have. Again: toolbar or pane showing that I have hidden, addon/plugin I don't have installed, 
etc. Because...
I am running Orca latest master as of today, firefox 31.0, gnome 3.12 on 
arch linux.

I am running Orca latest master as of today, firefox 31.0, gnome 3.12
too. Mine is Fedora with a COPR, but that shouldn't matter. Thus our
environments should be pretty darned similar. But clearly you are
landing someplace that doesn't exist in my current environment. If you cannot figure out what that place might be but could take a screenshot, 
I'd love to see it.

Thanks!
--joanie



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