Re: [orca-list] guessing the labels of unlabeled fields, thoughts?

From: kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>
To: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>, Orca List <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] guessing the labels of unlabeled fields, thoughts?
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 18:44:18 -0600

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hi
One last question, then I can start filing bug reports. What do I do
with apps that use the wx gtk library? Good examples in this category
would be frontends to console emulators, such as dolphin and m64py.
I've heard, I have forgotten exactly where, that wx gtk accessibility
is hit or miss, and that the wx widgets team have limited interest in
fixing this. I've seen wx apps that are very accessible, and some that
are almost unusable. Should I file bugs against *every* application I
use that uses wx, or against only wx itself, so the fix can trickle down?
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 11/05/2014 05:51 PM, kendell clark wrote:



hi Great idea. I've already got a ton of apps to file bugs against,
so will cc you with any bugs I get. Do I send them here or to your 
personal email? PS, what do I do about qt applications? Those are
mostly accessible, but they have their fair share of unlabeled
controlls as well, particular in clementine Thanks Kendell clark On
11/05/2014 05:39 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hi Kendell.

Orca already does this for web content. The reason it does it
for web content and not for applications is that there are a
bazillion web pages and we cannot fix them all. In contrast,
there are not a bazillion native/desktop app dialogs and, as you
pointed out, the risk of Orca guessing is that Orca might guess
wrong. Therefore, please file bugs against the applications in
question.

If the application happens to be a Gtk+ application, tell the 
developer that setting the mnemonic widget property (a 
non-accessibility thing), should give them the accessibility
they need for free. If it's something else and the application
developer simply cannot figure out what to do, please CC me on
the bug or point me to it so I can comment and perhaps help them
to do things properly.

Thanks! --joanie

On 11/05/2014 06:29 PM, kendell clark wrote:

hi all This is an issue that has been bugging me for quite a 
while, but I'm not at all sure what to do about it. Unlabeled 
fields. Unlabeled text boxes, check boxes, buttons, tables,
etc. I personally think orca should try to guess the label of 
something that doesn't have a proper label, but the last thing
I want is orca getting it wrong, or being like windows, and
being way too verbose. The proper solution, of course, would be
to have app authors give their controls proper labels in
whatever format orca needs, but as we all know, that usually
doesn't happen. The reasons are numerous. I've only seen a few
applications with proper labels to their controls, most
noteably thunderbird, in it's mail accountsetup wizard. Most
other apps, though not all, say simply text, indicating a
field, push button, etc. I'm not a developer, so can't do
anything about this. Should orca attempt to guess the label of
something based on the line immediately preceeding the
unlabeled field? msot of the time if a button is unlabeled, I
can flat review to the line below and get the labvel of
whatever I need, though this isn't always the case. It has no 
sort of video scraper, so this wouldn't work. Anyone else want
to chip in? Thanks Kendell clark 
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