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Re: [orca-list] Is Linux suitable for non-programmer/computer scientists?

Not for newbies.  Not that one can expect you to understand this sort of
thing, mind.  This is not the first time people have tried to reason with
you on this point with no success.  You are bound and determined that
everyone regardless of their proficiency with using Linux should use the
bleeding edge packages with the very latest versions possible on the very
latest distributions or, even, on unstable, unreleased, still
under-construction versions of it.  You have blinded yourself (yes, I did
use that word on purpose!) to the possibility that this will cause
unnecessary frustration to those who have yet to acquire the knowledge and
skills they would need to troubleshoot any issues that arise from packages
that have not been thoroughly tested and that still cause things to break
from time to time.  A better recipe for turning people off of Linux I would
be hard pressed to devise.  If newbies listen to your advice, they will run
screaming back to Mac and windows so fast they'll break the sound barrier.
There are reasons, very good reasons, for the existence of versions labeled,
stable, unstable or testing or something along those lines.  There are also
very good reasons for people to choose to stay away from anything under
development.  There are abundant and enormously compelling reasons for a new
person to stay clear of distributions whose accessibility is incomplete.
This is especially true if they are going to do anything productive with
them and therefore wish to avoid having to spend hours and hours tracking
down a snafu.  We know you use and like the latest version of Ubuntu.  We
know you use and like the yet unreleased version of it.  This is your
personal choice and you have the time and expertise necessary to handle it.
Others do not.

Alex M


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From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Bill K.
Dengler
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:12 AM
To: Krishnakant Mane
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Is Linux suitable for non-programmer/computer
scientists?

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The Libreoffice/orca issues are fixed in 13.04(I'm using it) and it's pretty
stable at the moment.
I've used the dev branches of 12.10 and 12.04 and at this stage of
development it's usually stable enough to use as a daily driver.
I wouldn't deploy it to servers or anything, but for a desktop system it's
perfectly fine.
Bill
On 03/18/2013 01:09 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote:

Waiting curiously for that. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On
03/18/2013 10:23 AM, David J. J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

Vinux 4.0 is about to be released. You will find it greatly updated.

wew.vinuxproject.org <http://wew.vinuxproject.org>

David On Mar 17, 2013 6:26 PM, "Bill K. Dengler"
<billkd2008 gmail com> wrote:


Oh and stay away from Vinux. It's old. It's buggy(person wrote list 
asking about Braille displays and was using this distro when the bugs 
were probably fixed in late 2012 or early 2013 software). It uses a 
version of gnome from 2010. it's loaded with crap. it's "dumbed down" 
to the point of being unusable.

Bill On 03/17/2013 05:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

You don't need to use the command line or know a lot of complicated 
bits to use Linux. It's definitely not just for programmers and 
computer scientists. This list is about Orca, which is a screen 
reader for the graphical desktop. Of course, knowing and using the 
command line opens some things up to you but it's not necessary to 
use Linux.



I'd suggest starting off with Ubuntu 12.04. You just need to hit the 
control+s key once you hear the drums. Another option is vinux 3.0.2 
or the beta of vinux 4 which is based on Ubuntu and just comes up 
talking.



On 03/17/2013 04:55 AM, James AUSTIN wrote:

Hi All,

I don't post too often but read this list with great interest.

I'm not going to go into my reasons here, but I am beginning to 
think that my current access solution could be in the process of 
stagnating.

I would be very sad to say goodbye to it, but the time might come 
when such a course is necessary.

Reading the list suggests that a great deal of command line 
knowledge and complicated bits and piece are involved in Linux, even 
after all of this time. I'm not exactly a command line newbie, but 
many of you are far more conversant than I am.

Do any of you have any suggestions where I might start if I did 
decide to jump on the Linux band wagon please? I have been reading a 
lot about Ubuntu and it seems to be the favourite among many.

Thank you and please feel free to write to me off-list if you 
prefer.

Take care James
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