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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I DID NOT SAY THAT EVERYONE SHOULD USE RARING. I JUST SAID THAT IT WAS AN OPTION. IF YOU WANT A STABLE DISTRO WITH GOOD A11Y USE QUANTAL. Bill On 03/18/2013 03:53 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > Not for newbies. Not that one can expect you to understand this sort of > thing, mind. This is not the first time people have tried to reason with > you on this point with no success. You are bound and determined that > everyone regardless of their proficiency with using Linux should use the > bleeding edge packages with the very latest versions possible on the very > latest distributions or, even, on unstable, unreleased, still > under-construction versions of it. You have blinded yourself (yes, I did > use that word on purpose!) to the possibility that this will cause > unnecessary frustration to those who have yet to acquire the knowledge and > skills they would need to troubleshoot any issues that arise from packages > that have not been thoroughly tested and that still cause things to break > from time to time. A better recipe for turning people off of Linux I would > be hard pressed to devise. If newbies listen to your advice, they will run > screaming back to Mac and windows so fast they'll break the sound barrier. > There are reasons, very good reasons, for the existence of versions labeled, > stable, unstable or testing or something along those lines. There are also > very good reasons for people to choose to stay away from anything under > development. There are abundant and enormously compelling reasons for a new > person to stay clear of distributions whose accessibility is incomplete. > This is especially true if they are going to do anything productive with > them and therefore wish to avoid having to spend hours and hours tracking > down a snafu. We know you use and like the latest version of Ubuntu. We > know you use and like the yet unreleased version of it. This is your > personal choice and you have the time and expertise necessary to handle it. > Others do not. > > Alex M > > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Bill K. > Dengler > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:12 AM > To: Krishnakant Mane > Cc: orca-list gnome org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Is Linux suitable for non-programmer/computer > scientists? > > The Libreoffice/orca issues are fixed in 13.04(I'm using it) and it's pretty > stable at the moment. > I've used the dev branches of 12.10 and 12.04 and at this stage of > development it's usually stable enough to use as a daily driver. > I wouldn't deploy it to servers or anything, but for a desktop system it's > perfectly fine. > Bill > On 03/18/2013 01:09 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > > Waiting curiously for that. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On > > 03/18/2013 10:23 AM, David J. J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > >> Vinux 4.0 is about to be released. You will find it greatly updated. > >> > >> wew.vinuxproject.org <http://wew.vinuxproject.org> > >> > >> David On Mar 17, 2013 6:26 PM, "Bill K. Dengler" > >> <billkd2008 gmail com> wrote: > >> > > Oh and stay away from Vinux. It's old. It's buggy(person wrote list > > asking about Braille displays and was using this distro when the bugs > > were probably fixed in late 2012 or early 2013 software). It uses a > > version of gnome from 2010. it's loaded with crap. it's "dumbed down" > > to the point of being unusable. > > > Bill On 03/17/2013 05:59 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >> You don't need to use the command line or know a lot of complicated > >> bits to use Linux. It's definitely not just for programmers and > >> computer scientists. This list is about Orca, which is a screen > >> reader for the graphical desktop. Of course, knowing and using the > >> command line opens some things up to you but it's not necessary to > >> use Linux. > > >> I'd suggest starting off with Ubuntu 12.04. You just need to hit the > >> control+s key once you hear the drums. Another option is vinux 3.0.2 > >> or the beta of vinux 4 which is based on Ubuntu and just comes up > >> talking. > > >> On 03/17/2013 04:55 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I don't post too often but read this list with great interest. > >>> > >>> I'm not going to go into my reasons here, but I am beginning to > >>> think that my current access solution could be in the process of > >>> stagnating. > >>> > >>> I would be very sad to say goodbye to it, but the time might come > >>> when such a course is necessary. > >>> > >>> Reading the list suggests that a great deal of command line > >>> knowledge and complicated bits and piece are involved in Linux, even > >>> after all of this time. I'm not exactly a command line newbie, but > >>> many of you are far more conversant than I am. > >>> > >>> Do any of you have any suggestions where I might start if I did > >>> decide to jump on the Linux band wagon please? I have been reading a > >>> lot about Ubuntu and it seems to be the favourite among many. > >>> > >>> Thank you and please feel free to write to me off-list if you > >>> prefer. > >>> > >>> Take care James > >>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > >>> list orca-list gnome org > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > >>> is at > >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>> > >>> > > >>> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > >>> list orca-list gnome org > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > >>> is at > >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> > >>> > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>> > >> > >> -- Sent from my Android nook color with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my > >> brevity. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > >> list orca-list gnome org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > >> is at > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> > >> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list gnome org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to > help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRR3mMAAoJEE15pHlYNXW/jNwP/0t90MumVsS7IltL83YQzvrz NCFLyCmkaeYhU8/xoktAeEvYfYMYBf59iwAPnkFkQ9bG9gaf7esXdd3ztk8Va9mA QoIkuHgOgKH0tuop6KYKkX3zmKIoxCN8bXjwtEttWlNWplAsZMTz7fZAAkcy4ChO 2Hzf42IpzxaKgP2GTcGbnGdWRk+tn3LeMVjgTzuBy/l/HhqdszW/AqrpRBuR18iK /6j/6mKYZi9Y46KmBZD2nF9jgmjqbmhAYN21P+zK9gufpJJDhPnVokSkZSy6lM5Z /T2TK/vZn/6oDVwpjvBu07xJkPY2ir+r6NYgENMvA51LFmZOXwG+I21nui/89XQn 4fXpP/bRq2dI+tHrsDP4SkLej8NUVZDZkGuc5RM9jadyMNDRv+gy8qT+5itOeqqr iCXjJLwmX60AKAtKhPIGAE4xUXs46HGFW06R48UKfa5EHHFTf69DTknzIEj282JS VsF8h2jtym1D6KHH/fj2dcLpQFb3sU4marOf7nzCe22lG3Fngf8bRjjGqHhWg2K9 SAJ7VSkM/inyTYIC4dgKIGA5EVeukyyaRi3gH8vzzOOwRc4mmdty+OCmXedL2hml db3LLjmolMpQ+w2ASED+IJZgMD/cqlMe4Yef/JlEBGN6lnoYMFgqqgP8vcPkqQPJ EOqPhoW2WnL6VviEuuwh =PPIa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |