Re: [orca-list] apostrophe versus quote

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I agree, using the same term for two different characters is an issue 
and can cause some confusion. The flip side though, using multiple terms 
for the same character, doesn't seem to be nearly as big an issue to me. 
I'm OK with a many to one relationship, but not a many to many relationship.

On 12/09/2013 11:11 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
> It's confusing under the best of circumstances but the worst example is
> the quote versus apostrophe thing. Orca says the word quote for two
> different characters. Typing an apostrophe says the word quote and
> backspacing over a double quote also says the word quote. That is the
> most problematic issue but just having two different words spoken for
> characters like the comment character, hash or number, is confusing enough.
>
> Suppose you are writing an error message and you want to put apostrophes
> around a  file name. For example, "Cannot open 'filename'". On that line
> of code, there is the character sequence apostrophe double-quote. If you
> type those two characters, and then immediately bacspace over them, orca
> will say quote quotes quote apostrophe.
>
> Considering we just had a long thread  about the inconsistency of
> checkbox checked versus selected radio button, I would say that as
> inconsistencies go, this is a big one.
>
> On 12/09/13 10:12, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > I've noticed this behavior myself, but I can't say it bothers me. I can
> > see why someone would want this consistency though. I don't understand
> > your reference to the fact that this is a problem for a programmer
> > though. If I'm programming in Python, I don't really care if the symbol
> > that starts a comment is called a hash, a number sign or a pound. They
> > all mean the same thing to me, and I know that the line contains a
> > comment. BTW, I've also worked a lot with international programmers
> > where you have to get familiar with what people from other countries
> > call different symbols.
> >
> > On 12/09/2013 09:16 AM, John G. Heim wrote:
> > > It seems as if newer version of orca  say different things for many
> > > non-alpha characters when you ttype them versus when you cursor over
> > > them. This is a problem for a programmer. For example, if I press the
> > > apostrophe key, orca says quote. If I cursor over the same character, it
> > > says apostrophe.  This seems to happen in orca 3.9 or better on debian
> > > wheezy and in ubuntu. It is not a problem in orca 2.3 from debian
> > > squeeze.
> > > Other examples of this same problem are number and hash, circumflex and
> > > caret, and asterisk and star. If you type the character, it ssays one
> > > thing, if you back over it, it says something else.
> > >
> > > There must be some setting in orca that turns that off. I've been poking
> > > around in the settings and I can't find anything.
> > > John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim math wisc edu
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