Re: [orca-list] GNOME 3.6 with gnome-shell: I'm impressed so far

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

Thanks for that, Jakob.  Clarifies a few things.  Sounds like this is a good option for people installing on 
bare metal then.  I do my linuxing (there's a new word for you!) I do my Linuxing, I say, within virtual 
machines sitting on Windows.  Yes, yes, yes, I know, that's backwards.  The reason I do it is that I have 
tons of software that relies on windows like OpenBook and Jaws and so forth and I'd have to go to all the 
bother and heartache of getting installation resets to have enough keys to do an install al over again, the 
hardware may not work within the virtual machine for the scanner and, yeah, I'm probably just lazy and don't 
want to have to worry about dual booting, migrating all my stuff to non ntfs hard drives, and all that.  
Anyway, back to Arch, if all you do is build virtual machines to get your linuxing done, Arch is probably a 
major time sink to get set up.  If you are using bare metal and Linux is your primary installation, you put 
in the time to install and then have minimal maintenance thereafter due to roling release updates, right?

Alex M


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From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Jakob Herrmann
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:32 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] GNOME 3.6 with gnome-shell: I'm impressed so far

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Hi,

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Trouble with Arch is that you have to do so much from scratch.  This is, at least, my understanding.  
Somebody get on here and correct me if Iâm wrong.  How long does it take to get an Arch installation up and 
running?  Debian and Ubuntu take like 30 to 45 minutes and you have a fuly functioning desktop or server 
system.  Iâve heard similar stuff about slackware and Gentoo.  How much truth to this is there?
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The big difference is that the Arch installation images include no graphical installer, but there are several 
installation scripts for e.g. installing the base system and all steps to get a basic system working are 
documented quite well and understandable in the wiki. Your first installation might take some time - even 
some hours, but when finished, you understand lots of internals which are hidden by the graphical installers 
(partitioning, setup of your boot loader...) and this might help you in the future to deal with trouble, e.g. 
when updating the system. And consider that you have to set up your system only once as Arch is rolling 
release and major updates will always only affect a part of your system (e.g. upgrade to a new Gnome 
version). The only reasons for me to perform Arch installations within the last 1.5 years were hardware 
issues and setups for people I am supporting with Linux.
An issue for blind users might be that the basic live images don't include brltty and you have to set up your 
network "blind" or with help and install it to get started. There have been images with at least speakup, but 
as I know they are out of date. Since about 1 year or so, I am building special images which include brltty 
and several modules I need to get started.

Cheers,
Jakob
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