Re: [orca-list] Accessibility Testing in Ubuntu 12.04

[Alan Bell <alanbell ubuntu com>]

On 12/03/12 00:04, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> Yeah, that's a tough one. I think what you are doing is probably the
> best approach right now. Just filing a bug report on launchpad isn't
> enough. The Youtube videos accurately demonstrates the problems all of
> us are having with Unity and Orca and shows the Unity developers
> exactly what is broken and what needs to be fixed. It explains the
> problem in more detail than any written bug report I've ever read.
thanks, I actually wanted to do some high quality screencasts showing 
how it all worked, and because I couldn't I ended up just roughly 
filming how broken it all is using my phone. I will do the real 
screencasts as soon as I have something to show.
> However, I've never understood why Cononical decided to dump Gnome in
> favor of Unity in the first place.
gnome has not been dumped, neither has gnome3. Gnome *Shell* is not the 
default shell in Ubuntu, it is the gnome 3 desktop with the Unity shell. 
(roughly speaking)
>   There doesn't seem to be any
> advantage in Unity over Gnome, and in fact for those of us with
> disabilities it has made matters much worse, because we have to
> install a system where everything is broken and then attempt to
> install Gnome, configure it to login by default, just to get a usable
> GUI. I wonder if there is a way we could convince the Ubuntu
> developers to pull Unity from Ubuntu until the access issues are
> resolved,
nope, not going to happen, for me I think it is best to concentrate on 
influencing the outcome of things that are possible. Unity is part of 
the overall strategy targetting phones, TVs, tablets and other stuff and 
it is going to remain the primary shell that gets marketed. This doesn't 
mean it is the only shell that works, but it will be the one that gets 
the attention, and the investment in developer time.
>   or to release a Ubuntu version with Gnome instead.
you can install gnome shell on Ubuntu or use the new gnome3 classic 
desktop which is apparently about as good as it used to be on gnome2 now.

>   There is
> Kubuntu so why not Gubuntu?
>
> Cheers!
Ubuntu is the gnome based distribution, just not gnome-shell by default. 
I am not sure if using gnome-shell by default would actually be that 
much different to Unity in terms of accessibility, but I will give it a 
go before release and do some notes on it.

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