Re: [orca-list] Latest Version of Orca

[Jude DaShiell <jdashiel shellworld net>]

Not so whacky at least using espeakup as one might think.  Turns out in 
attempting to install speechd-up to support speech-dispatcher on an 
espeakup system a less than comprehensible error message comes up 
telling me that speech-dispatcher is disabled and speechd-up is broken 
and that speakup speakup_soft are needed so if you don't want rmmod 
speakup speakup_soft.  For the record rmmod speakup speakup_soft nor 
rmmod -f speakup speakup_soft ultimately work after a reboot.  If I knew 
czek of course I'd have had this deciphered and working by now maybe 
even on a couple systems.  It's entirely probable the better 
configuration would have been a stock debian distribution and use of a 
hardware speech synthesizer at first then to back fill with speechd-up 
and speech-dispatcher and remove the hardware synthesizer before 
rebooting.  I'll probably try that next.  Fortunately all I had on this 
machine was speakup itself and wasn't playing with gnome when trying all 
of this or I'd be in an even bigger mess by now.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011, Janina Sajka wrote:

> OK, so here's the deal.
>
> Debian Squeeze is a perfectly good distribution, if you have the skills
> to know how to work with it.
>
> In just the past few messages we've heard from a long-time Debian user
> who's had no problems with Debian Squeeze. We've also heard from someone
> else who seems to have been unprepared to install Debian. Perhaps he bit
> off more than he was ready to chew at the moment? Lastly, we've heard
> from someone who expressed the rather wacky notion that you might need
> to "bet the farm" to switch between gnome-speech and speech-dispatcher.
>
> It should be very plain from these messages that skills matter.
> Furthermore, not everyone has them. While it may be human nature to put
> the blame elsewhere, that's not a productive approach.
>
> So, I ask Riverwind again, are we going to school now to learn the
> skills involved in debugging? Or, is the real goal here to get a working
> system up and running as expeditiously as possible? If the latter, I
> still suggest Vinux--for the same reason implied by our unprepared
> Debian installer below.
>
> One advantage to putting Vinux on this machine is that we will quickly
> discover whether there's a hardware issue. That hasn't been ruled out.
>
> Meanwhile, if we're going to hack, let's ask the next question: What
> speech subsystem is being used? Does it speak from a console command
> line? And, by the way, what is the nature of this crashing? When does it
> happen? What are its characteristics? Do we know whether the load level
> is being driven through the roof? Etc., etc., etc., etc.
>
> Janina
>
> Jude DaShiell writes:
> > Yes, riverwind is using debian squeeze. On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, kendell clark 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > hi
> > > are you by any chance using debian squeeze? I just downloaded that yesterday
> > > and installed it. It was a disaster. I had to have sighted help to install it,
> > > which took almost an hour lol, then I had to manually enable orca after it was
> > > installed. I think I might have some idea what's causing orca to crash but
> > > again I'm not sure. On my fresh debian install, orca was using gnome speech,
> > > which as far as i know isn't very well supported and is no longer developed. I
> > > tried installing speech-dispatcher which worked, but orca wouldn't see it, so
> > > I just gave up and re installed vinux. PIece at last. On 14/10/11 17:15,
> > > RiverWind wrote:
> > > > Ok, I am actually running orca 2.30.2 and  Gnome gdm  2.30.5. I am given to
> > > > understand that my version of orca is a bit old, but there aught to be
> > > > nothing amis with my version of gnome. However, we still can't pinpoint the
> > > > source of the constant crashing.
> > > >
> > > > Feel free to visit my website and my blog and learn more about me
> > > > and what I stand for.
> > > > My Website @ http://riverwind.shellworld.net
> > > > My Blog http://windraven13.livejournal.com/
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Jason White wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > RiverWind <riverwind shellworld net> wrote:
> > > > > > So for the sake of experimentation, I would like to switch my gnome
> > > > > > version back to "gnome.2.32" and my version of Orca to "xdesktop."
> > > > > > Would I need to download specific disks, or will I be able to
> > > > > > accomplish the switch online, via say, something like the "apt-
> > > > > > get?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Which version of Gnome are you currently running?
> > > > >
> > > > > In Debian, Gnome 3 is available from the experimental repository only, so
> > > > > unless you've specifically installed it from experimental, you won't be
> > > > > running Gnome 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Ubuntu, so far as I've read on the list, you have to enable the
> > > > > fall-back
> > > > > Gnome environment and there are instructions available for this which have
> > > > > been discussed on the list previously.
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > The manual is at
> > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > The manual is at
> > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > orca-list mailing list
> > > orca-list gnome org
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > The manual is at
> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >
> > Jude <jdashiel shellworld net>
> > If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft
> > Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no
> > matter what the stock market did.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list gnome org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

Jude <jdashiel shellworld net>
If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft
Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no
matter what the stock market did.