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Re: [orca-list] Wine

Hi,
I sent the wine links to my blog earlier but I have been having internet problems so I don't think they made it. Here they are again just in case.
http://stormdragon.us/?p=61
http://stormdragon.us/?p=66
http://stormdragon.us/?p=73
Thanks
Storm
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On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 16:30 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: 
Hi Storm,

Unfortunately, I don't know of any guides. I can try and write one up
I suppose. That said, you'll need a bit of sighted asistance with
getting it setup with the wine preferences dialog as I haven't found
an accessible way to do that from the command line. However, once you
get it setup you won't have to use alsa-oss to play games.

Cheers!


On 6/2/11, Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Do you know of a guide I can use to set it up? If I can get rid of the
> pulse lag, it's pretty much the only thing standing in the way of some
> serious game  time lol.
> Thanks
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> On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 15:31 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
>> Hi Storm,
>>
>> As long as you correctly set wine up to use pulse audio audio games
>> work with Wine just as well as alsa. I think your problem is do to not
>> having wine correctly setup for pulse.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On 6/2/11, Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976 gmail com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I have never had any problems with alsa and wine, only pulse. If you use
>> > alsa it should work great. It's one of the reasons I hate pulseaudio
>> > lol.
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>> > On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 19:38 +0200, Christian wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> If I am going to use Alsa then with Wine, is that going to work?
>> >> Many thanks,
>> >> Christian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2011-06-02 at 13:18 Storm Dragon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi,
>> >> >If you are using pulseaudio there is a lot of lag in the sound, about
>> >> >half a second I think. It really takes the fun out. There's a
>> >> > pulseaudio
>> >> >patch for Wine made by someone, but when I installed it you have to go
>> >> >set it to the pulse sound patch in the preferences which, of course,
>> >> > are
>> >> >not accessible. Judging by winetricks there should be some way to set
>> >> >the sound driver using terminal. I have read through the source code
>> >> > and
>> >> >can't find it though. This doesn't mean it's not there, that's quite a
>> >> >bit of code, and I may have over looked it. There are articles on my
>> >> >blog about getting Wine up and running. There are instructions for
>> >> >several games, and it would really be cool if people who install other
>> >> >games leave a step by step how-to for installing it in the comments.
>> >> >Thanks
>> >> >Storm
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>> >> >
>> >> >On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 12:05 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Winetricks script will allow you to install a number of Windows
>> >> >> components into Wine. DirectX 9.0C, Visual Basic 6, Visual C+ 2005
>> >> >> runtimes, Visual C+ 2008 runtimes,  .ET 2.0,  and various other
>> >> >> things
>> >> >> like that. Its a pretty quick and easy way to get a lot of the
>> >> >> dpendencies you need for accessible games. About the only dependency
>> >> >> not in Winetricks is Sapi 5.1 which you can grab from the
>> >> >> Kitchensinc
>> >> >> website and install.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 6/2/11, Vojtch Polek <krecoun gmail com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hello Tom,
>> >> >> > You mentioned kitchens inc games here, that they need only directx
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > sapi and then just install winkit.exe.
>> >> >> > Can be directx offeret by winetricks used with them? Thank you,
>> >> >> > Vojta
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 1.6.2011 19:50, Thomas Ward wrote:
>> >> >> >> Hello Christian,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Winetricks is an install script for Wine that helps people
>> >> >> >> download
>> >> >> >> and install various Windows packages such as the Visual Basic 6
>> >> >> >> runtimes, DirectX 9.0C libraries, Visual C+ redistributible
>> >> >> >> libraries, etc. Since many apps need these dependencies  it is a
>> >> >> >> quick
>> >> >> >> and dirty way to get everything you need for games and such in
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> quick and easy installation. Your distribution probably has a
>> >> >> >> winetricks package and some Linux distros have winetricks as a
>> >> >> >> part
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the standard Wine installation.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As for DirectX you have to unpack the self-extracting file before
>> >> >> >> running dexsetup.exe with the /s switch. The file you download
>> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> Microsoft is a self-extracting zip file and it will not accept
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> /s
>> >> >> >> switch. Only the dexsetup.exe file instide the package will do
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> I remember correctly.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> HTH
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 6/1/11, Christian <christian08 runbox com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Hello,
>> >> >> >>> Many thanks for that info.
>> >> >> >>> The winetricks, what's that?
>> >> >> >>> So I just download the dxwebsetup.exe and run it with the /s
>> >> >> >>> option
>> >> >with
>> >> >> >>> wine, correct?
>> >> >> >>> Many thanks,
>> >> >> >>> Christian
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On 2011-06-01 at 12:49 Thomas Ward wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> Hi,
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Well, as an avid gamer and software developer I've had some
>> >> >> >>>> really
>> >> >> >>>> mixed results using wine for games. Here is basically what I
>> >> >> >>>> found
>> >> >> >>>> out.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> First, one thing I discovered is game performance goes way down
>> >> >> >>>> when
>> >> >> >>>> emulated. For example, the game I'm developing, Mysteries of
>> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >>>> Ancients,  ran terrible under wine. This might be a pulse
>> >> >> >>>> issue,
>> >> >> >>>> I"m
>> >> >> >>>> not sure, but the audio cut in and out, and certain things like
>> >> >> >>>> the
>> >> >> >>>> footstep sounds didn't play at all. Then, there was issues with
>> >> >> >>>> certain input devices like joysticks that didn't seem to work
>> >> >through
>> >> >> >>>> wine. It was for various issues like that why I'm now
>> >> >> >>>> developing
>> >> >Linux
>> >> >> >>>> specific ports of all of my new games using LibSDL and FMOD Ex.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Second, issue was installing dependencies and the games as
>> >> >> >>>> well.
>> >> >> >>>> To
>> >> >> >>>> get a game up and running such as Jim Kitchens games you have
>> >> >> >>>> to
>> >> >> >>>> install Sapi 5.1, which the installer doesn't talk, install
>> >> >> >>>> DirectX
>> >> >8
>> >> >> >>>> via winetricks, and then run  his Winkit setup to finish adding
>> >> >> >>>> VB
>> >> >> >>>> dependancies etc. Then, if you want a game like Shades of Doom
>> >> >> >>>> or
>> >> >GMA
>> >> >> >>>> Tank Commander you pretty much have to do alt+n through all the
>> >> >> >>>> dialogs to get through the setups. Its doable but less than
>> >> >> >>>> ideal.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> That said there are sometimes work arounds for some of these
>> >> >> >>>> issues.
>> >> >> >>>> One thing is some apps such as DirectX can be installed using a
>> >> >silent
>> >> >> >>>> install. If you pass the dexsetup.exe the /s switch it will
>> >> >> >>>> install
>> >> >> >>>> the entire thing without prompting you.If I'm not mistaken the
>> >> >> >>>> same
>> >> >> >>>> can be done for the Sapi 5.1 install as well. This makes it
>> >> >> >>>> easier
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >>>> install dependencies as the /s silent install setup will just
>> >> >install
>> >> >> >>>> the program using the defaults.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> HTH
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