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Re: [orca-list] Question about installing Gnome on Archlinux

Hello,
I am keeping this on list mainly as it could be of interest to others.
I think what the problem is, sometimes (particularly after logging out and logging back in) gnome sometimes moves to console 8, therefore to switch back you don't use control alt f7 you use control alt f8. If speakup can say anything this indicates the console you are in is in text mode and fits with what I believe may be going on here. 

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Alonzo wrote:

Hey hey,
I can get nome working fine on arch... Its when I switch to a console with ctrl-alt-f1 and do something with speakup. then I switch back to x with control-alt-f7 and I cann't do anything. Speakup just says bbbbb when moving the arrows. i'm told by sighted assistance that it shows a background with a cursor, but they are not able to do anything as well. Xorg starts from udev and senses all modules fine. Not sure whats going on. 

alonzo
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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Question about installing Gnome on Archlinux




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Hi Michael,

I think you are adding an extra layer of complexity here for the
starting setup.  When I did this, I did not mess with gdm at all.
Just get Arch booting fine with speakup and text consoles.  Then
install gnome and gnome-extra; I think the other dependencies will
resolve themselves without having to specify; at that worked for me
last year.  After the gnome packages are installed, then work on
getting into gnome by using 'startx' from a normal user.  From there,
try typing 'orca' from the alt-f2 run dialog.

On many distros, gdm has been very problematic including Slackware
(dropline) and Debian.  I only recently got gdm logins to talk within
the past 3 months or so and my write-up is on the wiki accordingly.
And with that, the location of where aat-spi-registryd changed with
gnome 2.30.  So that's why I suggest leaving gdm out of things until
you can manualy get into gnome and have Orca talk by using startx.

On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 12:06:36AM +0200, Christian wrote:

Hi Mike,
Many thanks for this info.
Will give it a try and see how it goes for me.
I am used to debian so this is a little different, but I look forward of doing this and see how it goes. Just a question, later on I may want to install some servers, like ProFTPD and on Debian when I installed it it was run as an own user, which is good. 
Have you installed that?
Many thanks,
Christian

On 2010-04-05 at 22:13 Michael Whapples wrote:

>The quick instructions (shouldn't really differ from the docs).
>
>Install the following (may install more than you want but should get
>everything required): xorg, gnome gnome-extra xorg-video-drivers
>xorg-input-drivers gamin
>The following command should do that:
>pacman -S xorg gnome gnome-extra xorg-video-drivers xorg-input-drivers
>gamin
>
>Ensure the things you want to start at boot up are added to the daemons 
>array in the /etc/rc.conf file. You need hal for detection of hardware
>like USB drives, you want gdm for graphical login. The daemons array is 
>the line beginning
>DAEMONS=(
>put the required daemons between the open and close brackets on that
>line (I put hal and gdm after network and with hal first).
>
>If you want a non-US keymap in gnome then copy the file
>/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi to
>/etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and then edit the file searching for ">us<"
>(without the quote marks). Change the us to whatever your country code
>is (NOTE: It may differ from that for the text console, the British
>layout for text console is uk but in this file it should be gb).
>
>Optionally set gnome to auto login after a length of time, so in
>/etc/gdm/custom.conf make sure the following block appears (NOTE: some
>of this might already exist, my system had the section headings).
>[daemon]
>TimedLoginEnable=true
>TimedLogin=mike
>TimedLoginDelay=5
>
>Where I put "mike" in the above change it for your username and where I 
>give 5 on the TimedLoginDelay line change it to whatever number of
>seconds you want before auto login.
>
>Now this is where I got stuck, start gnome and try and start orca, it
>didn't work as smooth as it should for me. May be try and run orca in
>text mode in a text console to set it up. Where orca did work for me was >in a gnome-terminal, so try that if everything else fails (unfortunately 
>getting orca running in gnome terminal does rely on you typing correct
>to get gnome-terminal, etc).
>
>Good luck, I'll be interested to know if everything just works for you
>or if you also hit problems.
>
>Michael Whapples
>On -10/01/37 20:59, Christian wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> OK, so I will be installing Arch later tonight and going to use the
>Speakup CD in this case and install BRLTTY afterwards.
>> Going to follow the beginners guide when installing X and Gnome. Just >> a >quick quesiton if there's anything I should keep in mind when >installing 
>this?
>> I know that Michael is working on a podcast on this thing, but was >> just >wondering if there are any special things I should be aware of as a >blind 
>user when installing this.
>> Many thanks,
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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