Re: [orca-list] Progress bar updates speak when not focused

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

Hi Krishnakant:

Does the "Speech progress bar updates" checkbox on the "Speech" tab of 
the Orca preferences dialog address your concern?

Will

Krishnakant wrote:
> Hi Wil and David,
> I think this discussion is 2 fold.
> 1, should progress bars be announced if the window with progress bar
> looses focus (that should not happen else it clutters the user's brains
> as well )
> 2, should the progress bar only provide an update only when there is
> really an update.  
> The second case means that the progress bar should not be announced by
> orca unless there is a change, and it should be scilent when there is no
> update even if the focus is in that window.
>
> I brought this up because I felt that is what David was refering to when
> he talked about the 10 seconds gap in every announcement of progress bar
> update.
>
> Is that what you were talking about David?
>
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
> On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 13:14 -0700, David E. Price wrote:
> > Hi, Will,
> >
> > I applied the patch with no errors. Unfortunately, the result was that 
> > there were no progress bar updates... absolute silence.
> >
> > I'll try to set aside some time this evening to generate a debug log 
> > with the patch and see if there is something obvious going on. I'll also 
> > try to file the bug report.
> >
> > Thanks for the effort,
> >
> > dave
> >
> >
> > On 03/05/2009 11:40 AM, Willie Walker wrote:
> > > Hi David:
> > >
> > > Orca currently speaks the progress bar information if the application 
> > > that owns the progress bar is active.  So, for example, if you've 
> > > started a download in Firefox and move to OOo, the FF download 
> > > progress should not be spoken.  If it is being spoken in this case, it 
> > > is a bug.
> > >
> > > However, it sounds as though perhaps you're working in Firefox, start 
> > > a download, and continue surfing the web.  In this case, the download 
> > > window no longer has focus, but Firefox is still the active 
> > > application.  So, Orca is going to happily speak the progress bar 
> > > information. :-( That sounds like a bug to me and a case we didn't 
> > > account for.
> > >
> > > Please do open a bug.  Please also test out the attached patch.  If it 
> > > works, attach it to the bug you open and you'll get the credit for 
> > > being a hero.  :-)  If it doesn't work, just blame me and call me an 
> > > idiot. I'm used to it.  :-)
> > >
> > > Will
> > >
> > > David E. Price wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to get a sense of the community's feel about this.
> > > >
> > > > Right now, if there is a progress bar in existence in any open 
> > > > program, I get the update messages spoken every 10 seconds. I believe 
> > > > that progress bar updates should only be spoken when the 
> > > > window/dialog containing the progress bar has focus. To me, it is 
> > > > annoying that, whenever I want to download something and continue 
> > > > working, I get an update every 10 seconds or I have to go into the 
> > > > Orca preferences to turn off the updates. I believe that requiring 
> > > > the progress bar's window to have focus before any updates are 
> > > > indicated can allow users to avoid a cluttered feedback environment.
> > > >
> > > > I'll file the RFE this weekend unless the rest of the community is 
> > > > against the idea.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > dave
> > > >
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