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Re: [orca-list] Braille and Orca Again

Thanks for the explanation, Will. I don't know how it is that flat review has become the default with braille. Is there a way to force focus tracking mode? Could I toggle it with the computer keyboard? I try pressing numpad minus, but this doesn't change the Braille behavior. Is this something that can be clarified with the debug procedure, or is it something that hasn't been implemented so far? 

Thanks,
Teresa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" <William Walker Sun COM> 
To: "Teresa Cochran" <pipistrelle cox net>
Cc: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Braille and Orca Again



Hi Teresa:

Thanks!  What you're doing is called "flat review mode" in Orca.  In
flat review mode, Orca merely takes a snapshot of the text that is
showing in a window and allows you to navigate this showing text in a
two dimensional fashion.  When you navigate the showing text in flat
review mode, Orca doesn't move the text insertion caret, the
mouse/pointer, or change focus.  It's merely allowing you to examine the
text that is showing in the window.

Flat review mode is not intended to be the primary operating mode of
Orca.  It's really only meant to be a means to examine the showing
contents of a window.  A typical use case is when you encounter an
ill-behaved application that doesn't support good keyboard traversal -- you sometimes need to use flat review mode to examine the text that is 
showing in the window.  You can then use other flat review commands to
perform a left or right click operation on an object.

Instead of flat review mode, the intended operating mode of Orca is the
default mode, which is called "focus tracking mode".  In focus tracking
mode, you interact with the application using the same keyboard
navigation commands that all users use (e.g., arrow keys, tab, typing,
etc.).  Orca watches what you are doing and then presents information
about what has changed.

So...the issue comes back to the same thing we've been trying to figure
out, which is how to allow you to keep your hands on the braille display
and still navigate an application in a normal fashion.  At a minimum, I
think this should allow for the common navigation actions: arrowing
around, tabbing and shift+tabbing, page up/down.  I believe BrlTTY
coupled with xbrlapi is supposed help you accomplish this, but I've
never figured out how.

Will

On 06/07/09 14:57, Teresa Cochran wrote:

Hi, Will. sorry about the confusion.

When I go to any webpage and use the Braille down-arrow function (dot 4
chord on the Braille Lite 40) or the panning functions (advance bars) I
encounter the window title, tool bars and menu bar. I read down the
window using these keys, and get to text and the  bottom of the window.
There is a button that says push button on the Braille display. I assume
this button in the window is the zoom button, but can't be sure. Then
there is no way to continue on past the bottom of the window. If I move
the arrow keys on the computer keyboard, the Braille jumps to my cursor
position before I start reading, and I have to arrow down twenty or
thirty lines with the keyboard to find the corresponding place that was
formerly at the bottom of the window.

I'm fairly certain that this may mean the mouse pointer is being tracked
in a web browser when braille is used. If I try to change cursor
tracking in brltty, it has no effect in Orca.

I will familiarize myself with the bug file process as soon as I can.
Thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion.

Teresa

On Sun, 2009-06-07 at 13:36 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:

Hi Teresa:

I'm not sure what you mean by the mouse pointer.  Can you provide more
details?  For example:

1) What URL are you going to?
2) What keys are you pressing on your braille display?
3) What keys are you pressing on your keyboard?
4) For the above, do you expect Orca to go and where does it actually
go?

Finally, getting a small debug file of the above might help a lot to
help us understand what you are experiencing.  You can read more about
getting Orca to create a debug file at:

http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Debugging

Will

On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


Hi, folk,

I did find a way to use a simulation of tab and arrow keys with the
Braille Lite. However, when I use the simulated arrow functions, the
braille still follows the mouse pointer only. Or the mouse pointer
tracks with braille. I'm confused and not entirely sure. But the web
page is not laid out the same as when reading with speech. I will keep
experimenting with this.

Thanks,
Teresa



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