Re: [orca-list] Braille and Orca Again

[Willie Walker <William Walker Sun COM>]

Hi Teresa:

Thanks!  What you're doing is called "flat review mode" in Orca.  In 
flat review mode, Orca merely takes a snapshot of the text that is 
showing in a window and allows you to navigate this showing text in a 
two dimensional fashion.  When you navigate the showing text in flat 
review mode, Orca doesn't move the text insertion caret, the 
mouse/pointer, or change focus.  It's merely allowing you to examine the 
text that is showing in the window.

Flat review mode is not intended to be the primary operating mode of 
Orca.  It's really only meant to be a means to examine the showing 
contents of a window.  A typical use case is when you encounter an 
ill-behaved application that doesn't support good keyboard traversal -- 
you sometimes need to use flat review mode to examine the text that is 
showing in the window.  You can then use other flat review commands to 
perform a left or right click operation on an object.

Instead of flat review mode, the intended operating mode of Orca is the 
default mode, which is called "focus tracking mode".  In focus tracking 
mode, you interact with the application using the same keyboard 
navigation commands that all users use (e.g., arrow keys, tab, typing, 
etc.).  Orca watches what you are doing and then presents information 
about what has changed.

So...the issue comes back to the same thing we've been trying to figure 
out, which is how to allow you to keep your hands on the braille display 
and still navigate an application in a normal fashion.  At a minimum, I 
think this should allow for the common navigation actions: arrowing 
around, tabbing and shift+tabbing, page up/down.  I believe BrlTTY 
coupled with xbrlapi is supposed help you accomplish this, but I've 
never figured out how.

Will

On 06/07/09 14:57, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> Hi, Will. sorry about the confusion.
>
> When I go to any webpage and use the Braille down-arrow function (dot 4
> chord on the Braille Lite 40) or the panning functions (advance bars) I
> encounter the window title, tool bars and menu bar. I read down the
> window using these keys, and get to text and the  bottom of the window.
> There is a button that says push button on the Braille display. I assume
> this button in the window is the zoom button, but can't be sure. Then
> there is no way to continue on past the bottom of the window. If I move
> the arrow keys on the computer keyboard, the Braille jumps to my cursor
> position before I start reading, and I have to arrow down twenty or
> thirty lines with the keyboard to find the corresponding place that was
> formerly at the bottom of the window.
>
> I'm fairly certain that this may mean the mouse pointer is being tracked
> in a web browser when braille is used. If I try to change cursor
> tracking in brltty, it has no effect in Orca.
>
> I will familiarize myself with the bug file process as soon as I can.
> Thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion.
>
> Teresa
>
> On Sun, 2009-06-07 at 13:36 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> > Hi Teresa:
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean by the mouse pointer.  Can you provide more
> > details?  For example:
> >
> > 1) What URL are you going to?
> > 2) What keys are you pressing on your braille display?
> > 3) What keys are you pressing on your keyboard?
> > 4) For the above, do you expect Orca to go and where does it actually
> > go?
> >
> > Finally, getting a small debug file of the above might help a lot to
> > help us understand what you are experiencing.  You can read more about
> > getting Orca to create a debug file at:
> >
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Debugging
> >
> > Will
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, folk,
> > >
> > > I did find a way to use a simulation of tab and arrow keys with the
> > > Braille Lite. However, when I use the simulated arrow functions, the
> > > braille still follows the mouse pointer only. Or the mouse pointer
> > > tracks with braille. I'm confused and not entirely sure. But the web
> > > page is not laid out the same as when reading with speech. I will keep
> > > experimenting with this.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Teresa
>
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