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Re: [orca-list] beeps on boot - was Re: Booting Ubuntu intoOrca involves too muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)

Michael wrote:

why are you using a live CD in a virtual machine? I would have
thought it might have made more sense to have a VM image containing an
installed version of ubuntu (which you could then always have a backup
of and then never need to reinstall from CD as you could just load the
clean install image again).


I was trying to create such an image from the LiveCD. I figured I could load
up the LiveCD (from an .iso file on my hard drive), do an install onto the
virtual machine's hard drive, then save the resultant VM image.  I know
there are pre-built images, but the ones I've seen seem to be stripped down
Ubuntu versions primarily for serfing - just basic linux and Firefox.
Probably won't have orca and all necessary accessibility in place.  I
figured building my own would work better in the lond run.

I've never done this before, so if someone could suggest a method for
building a windows-based VM with an accessible Ubuntu in it (or suggest
where to download such a beast),  let me know.

Thanx in advance...
-- Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples aim com>
To: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: [orca-list] beeps on boot - was Re: Booting Ubuntu intoOrca
involves too muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down,Down, Enter)



I mentioned this in another posting related to this, but for ease of
finding it, here it is now.

I understand that the jupiter speech system rescue disk does this
beeping at the boot menu. This achieves it by having a system bell
character in the boot message (character number 0x07), but as the
documentation for the jupiter system says "The computer should beep
twice, although this does not work for every machine". I don't know how
well this works or not as I don't use it, and I don't know if this
method could be applied in the boot loader for ubuntu.

So one person who has tried to create such a solution has not had 100%
success, so would it resolve it for a virtual machine? On the other
hand, why are you using a live CD in a virtual machine? I would have
thought it might have made more sense to have a VM image containing an
installed version of ubuntu (which you could then always have a backup
of and then never need to reinstall from CD as you could just load the
clean install image again).

From
Michael Whapples
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 23:05 +0100, Darragh wrote:

But why!  Can you not just wait for a second?





From: rjc [mailto:rjc MIT EDU]
Sent: 17 October 2007 22:54
To: Darragh
Cc: Orca List
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves too
muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)





or listen for inactivity, press f5, pres 3 then enter twice.  Itâs

really not rocket science.  Remember, weâve come a long way in terms
of access to Linux


        Remember, from a virtual machine this doesn't work at all.
        There is no way to know when to press the magic key sequence.
        We need some sort of beep sound during boot - simple and
        practical, nothing fancy.





        -- Rich








        ----- Original Message -----


        From: Darragh


        To: 'rjc' ; 'Mike Reiser'


        Cc: 'Orca List'


        Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:11 PM


        Subject: RE: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves too
        muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)





        We must also remember that we are only a small minority of
        users of this distribution.  Remember, the developers have
        already done a lot to assure we have fantastic access to this.
        Letâs not push too far though.



        Iâm not saying your ideas arenât very valid however, at this
        stage, access to the installation is very possible.  Turn on
        the PC, wait for a few moments or listen for inactivity, press
        f5, pres 3 then enter twice.  Itâs really not rocket science.
        Remember, weâve come a long way in terms of access to Linux
        but thereâs still a lot to do.  Letâs prioritise our battles a
        bit more.  The most current thread in relation to gnome speech
        is a perfect example.  Letâs work on getting access to the
        best sound output source as we can.  Let developers
        consintrate on one issue at a time.



        Sorry.  Rant over.  Iâll get back off my soap box and install
        ubuntu 7.10.



        Iâm back in windows at the moment because my laptop just died
        so Iâm in a really bad mood so your just going to have to
        excuse my rant.





        From: orca-list-bounces gnome org
        [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of rjc
        Sent: 17 October 2007 22:15
        To: Mike Reiser
        Cc: Orca List
        Subject: Re: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves too
        muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)




        I think there needs to be a sound omitted when boot keys can
        be pressed. Ya sure you can listen for CDRom and hard drive
        noises, but this is very unreliable and completely irrelevant
        when trying to boot a virtual machine.  I'd suggest some sort
        of tripple beep from the PC speaker - something which won't be
        confused with other boot-time beeps - doesn't have to be
        pretty, just distinctive!!!





        -- Rich





                ----- Original Message -----


                From: Mike Reiser


                To: Tomer Shalev ; orca-list gnome org


                Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:43 AM


                Subject: Re: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca
                involves too muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down,
                Down, Down, Enter)





                That would be nice or some how set up a talking boot
                menu like oralux had.





                Mike


                        ----- Original Message -----


                        From: Tomer Shalev


                        To: orca-list gnome org


                        Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:54 AM


                        Subject: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca
                        involves too much complicatedkey-sequence (F5,
                        Down, Down, Down, Enter)





                        Hi there,

                        In Ubuntu, during the boot stage the user is
                        shown the following options after pressing F5
                        (See Accessible Install of Ubuntu Feisty):

                              * None (has focus)
                              * High Contrast
                              * Magnifier
                              * Screen Reader
                              * Keyboard Modifiers
                              * On Screen Keyboard

                        I this that the 'Screen Reader' option should
                        be the first option, so that in order to save
                        a blind user from counting the number of times
                        that he/she have to press the 'Down' button.

                        Actually, it would be better if the 'Screen
                        Reader' had its own function key assigned to,
                        say F10, so that blind users can start Orca
                        with one press of a button, rather than having
                        to press 'F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter', which
                        seems a bit demanding, considering the fact
                        that typing the wrong key sequence results in
                        an un-usable boot from the view point of a
                        blind person.

                        I guess it would be hard to persuade Ubuntu
                        team to allocate a function key for Orca in
                        the main boot menu, but it worth a shot.

                        Promoting the 'Screen Reader' option be the
                        first option in the 'F5' menu is also an
                        adequate solution, as the user would only
                        press 'F5, Enter'.

                        What do you think?

                        Tomer


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