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Re: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves too muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)

Darragh I have to say I have a similar oppinion. For the average user,
how many times do you need to go through the boot process from CD? Yes I
accept there may be those who for what ever reason may use live CDs on a
regular basis, but I guess you are only a small fraction of users,
whereas needing a suitable audio output system (if I am going to follow
Darragh's example) is needed by most users.

To move screen reader to the top of the list is probably very simple and
would be solved quickly, but do you really need this? IE. Darragh says
you can press 3 instead of down cursor three times (I don't know if this
is true), or does the selection stop at the top and bottom of the list
or does it wrap to the other end, if the former then should you loose
count (counting to three) then you can press the up cursor many times
(more than really needed) and then start again. The beeps at the time
when the boot manager is ready, I think might be more use, but might be
a greater distraction to the developers whose time might be better spent
on other issues. As a side note, I think it was done in the jupiter
system, which uses lilo as the boot system, but the documentation says
the following "The computer should beep twice, although this does not
work on every machine." so shows that even an attempt to do this isn't
perfect.

I also don't want you to see this as don't make these comments, but just
consider where accessibility is and to consider what priority such a
feature might be at the time.

From
Michael Whapples
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 22:11 +0100, Darragh wrote:

We must also remember that we are only a small minority of users of
this distribution.  Remember, the developers have already done a lot
to assure we have fantastic access to this.  Letâs not push too far
though.   

 

Iâm not saying your ideas arenât very valid however, at this stage,
access to the installation is very possible.  Turn on the PC, wait for
a few moments or listen for inactivity, press f5, pres 3 then enter
twice.  Itâs really not rocket science.  Remember, weâve come a long
way in terms of access to Linux but thereâs still a lot to do.  Letâs
prioritise our battles a bit more.  The most current thread in
relation to gnome speech is a perfect example.  Letâs work on getting
access to the best sound output source as we can.  Let developers
consintrate on one issue at a time. 

 

Sorry.  Rant over.  Iâll get back off my soap box and install ubuntu
7.10.

 

Iâm back in windows at the moment because my laptop just died so Iâm
in a really bad mood so your just going to have to excuse my rant. 

 

 

From: orca-list-bounces gnome org [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org]
On Behalf Of rjc
Sent: 17 October 2007 22:15
To: Mike Reiser
Cc: Orca List
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves too
muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)


 

I think there needs to be a sound omitted when boot keys can be
pressed. Ya sure you can listen for CDRom and hard drive noises, but
this is very unreliable and completely irrelevant when trying to boot
a virtual machine.  I'd suggest some sort of tripple beep from the PC
speaker - something which won't be confused with other boot-time beeps
- doesn't have to be pretty, just distinctive!!!


 


-- Rich


 


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        
        
        From: Mike Reiser 
        
        
        To: Tomer Shalev ; orca-list gnome org 
        
        
        Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:43 AM
        
        
        Subject: Re: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves too
        muchcomplicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down, Down, Enter)
        
        
         
        
        
        That would be nice or some how set up a talking boot menu like
        oralux had.  
        
        
         
        
        
        Mike
        
        
                ----- Original Message ----- 
                
                
                From: Tomer Shalev 
                
                
                To: orca-list gnome org 
                
                
                Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:54 AM
                
                
                Subject: [orca-list] Booting Ubuntu into Orca involves
                too much complicatedkey-sequence (F5, Down, Down,
                Down, Enter)
                
                
                 
                
                
                Hi there,
                
                In Ubuntu, during the boot stage the user is shown the
                following options after pressing F5 (See Accessible
                Install of Ubuntu Feisty ):
                
                      * None (has focus) 
                      * High Contrast 
                      * Magnifier 
                      * Screen Reader 
                      * Keyboard Modifiers 
                      * On Screen Keyboard 
                
                I this that the 'Screen Reader' option should be the
                first option, so that in order to save a blind user
                from counting the number of times that he/she have to
                press the 'Down' button.
                
                Actually, it would be better if the 'Screen Reader'
                had its own function key assigned to, say F10, so that
                blind users can start Orca with one press of a button,
                rather than having to press 'F5, Down, Down, Down,
                Enter', which seems a bit demanding, considering the
                fact that typing the wrong key sequence results in an
                un-usable boot from the view point of a blind person. 
                
                I guess it would be hard to persuade Ubuntu team to
                allocate a function key for Orca in the main boot
                menu, but it worth a shot.
                
                Promoting the 'Screen Reader' option be the first
                option in the 'F5' menu is also an adequate solution,
                as the user would only press 'F5, Enter'. 
                
                What do you think?
                
                Tomer
                
                                           
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