Re: Removal of icons in buttons/menus

[Alberto Ruiz <aruiz gnome org>]

The sole fact that we are having a discussion in these terms is a bit shameful,

I think no one in this list has the right to say Gtk+ is the GIMP or
the GNOME toolkit. Gtk+ is _a_ toolkit with many contributors that
contribute for various reasons, all of those are valid, and sometimes
compromises have to be made.

Most of the contributors are GNOME developers and very few if none of
the core/active developers runs Windows or Mac OS X or other DEs on a
daily basis have pushed Gtk+ to be a toolkit mostly targeted to the
Linux desktop and more specifically towards GNOME.

Aligning the resources that we have to make Gtk+ a great toolkit for
GNOME is a worthwhile effort, and I am certainly glad that we are
ready to sacrifice certain "cross-platformness" for the sake of
shining in Linux and GNOME. Trying to be everything to everyone,
specially when we have scarce resources is a disaster and the cause
for Gtk+ to be stagnant for longer than it should.

Besides all of this, the particular change in question affects app
users and application developers of non GNOME environments for very
little gain in our side (Ryan already raised up this point in a
previous email), did we really need to start ignoring this XSetting
before 4.0? I haven't seen a compelling answer to this question yet
other than "if it's not running in GNOME we don't care", maybe the
application writers do care...?


2013/10/9 Andrew W. Nosenko <andrew w nosenko gmail com>:
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Bastien Nocera <hadess hadess net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 22:45 +0200, Michael Natterer wrote:
> > > On 10/09/2013 10:40 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 22:14 +0200, Olivier Brunel wrote:
> > > > > Ok, but this isn't about a change in GNOME, but in GTK. And the
> > > > > default
> > > > > for those options was still TRUE a few days ago in GTK 3.8
> > > >
> > > > As we're on this subject, I think it's pretty clear, from the committers
> > > > to where the mailing-lists are hosted that GTK+ is the GNOME toolkit.
> > > > People deeply involved in other desktops that rely on GTK+ should try to
> > > > get more involved in decisions made for the GNOME toolkit.
> > >
> > > Oh please, not this silly "GNOME Toolkit" stuff again. GIMP runs on
> > > windows and osx, so do many other applications. So please...
> >
> > They're GTK+ apps running on Windows and OS X, not Windows apps, or OSX
> > apps.
>
> Bastien, excuse me, but Michael's reference to The GIMP was a hint
> that GTK (with or without '+' -- no matter), stands for The GIMP
> Toolkit.  GIMP, not GNOME.
> Proof: http://www.gtk.org/
>
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> Andrew W. Nosenko <andrew w nosenko gmail com>
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Cheers,
Alberto Ruiz