I agree. Fedora 14's jhbuild failed on many steps. Since I am not a developer, nor have time to search for fixes, I am only waiting. I agree that users must have a window of the current development in order to have a proper opinion or feedback. As I think that feedback from _desktop users_ (non-developers) is very important to developers.
From: "Andreas Wallberg" <andreas wallberg gmail com>
To: "Allan E. Registos" <allan registos smpc steniel com ph>
Cc: "Johannes Schmid" <jhs jsschmid de>, gnome-shell-list gnome org
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:13:30 PM
Subject: Re: Gnome objectives
Hi all!
As a long-time, advanced user of Linux as the main Desktop OS, I would
love to provide feedback on the Gnome Shell. I think it has tremendous
potential but the version in Fedora 14 is certainly rough around the
edges. I too believe that the project would benefit from user feedback
early on (you know, release early, release often).
As a user with good intents, it is quite off-putting to get the canned
response that the version used to file feedback and thoughts on
usability is outdated compared to what the devs are seeing on their
own desktops. It just does not fit how many of us think about
community development. It is unfortunately quite difficult to build
the Shell on the distributions that I have tried so far, and I suspect
this is true for others as well. If anyone is able to roll more
current F14 or Arch Linux packages, for instance, I think sharing
those packages along with an up-to-date manual to deal with all the
quirks to get it built, would bring lots of useful feedback from early
adopters. The jhbuild procedure currently fails on many steps on F14.
Even if the feedback from an individual user may have an overall
negative feel to it, please remember that the person took the time to
write and send it to the list because he/she cares about the project.
The desktop interface is not like a normal, stand-alone application
but something which sets the terms for all GUI interaction a user has
with the computer. It is completely expected that there will be
different opinions on how to design the workflow and solve problems.
The KDE guys experienced a major backlash with the UI paradigm changes
with KDE 4.0 and we do not want history to repeat itself with Gnome 3.
If the users do not seem to "get" a particular design choice, please
take a few moments to explain them. Gnome has made great progress on
usability, so I expect there are well thought-out ideas behind most of
what we see.
Personally, I really like the Shell and would be happy to help out
building packages or document the procedures on how to get the most
current "usable" version up and running.
Best regards,
Andreas
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Allan E. Registos
<allan registos smpc steniel com ph> wrote:
> Hello,
>>The task bar doesn't exist. Anyway, take a look at the overview-relayout
>>branch to get an impression on how the overview mode will look in the
>>final GNOME Shell.
> I will try to keep an open eye of the development. Jhbuild build on Fedora
> 14 failed, so I am forced to install the distro's GNOME Shell preview
> package.
>>Let's be honest, we tried to copy the MS Windows experience for ten
>>years now without getting any real market share.
> The copying is inevitable. If you mean desktop market, then:
> I believe the real reason desktop Linux/ have no significant market share is
> not due to DE, but of applications.
>
> Cheers,
> Allan
> ________________________________
> From: "Johannes Schmid" <jhs jsschmid de>
> To: "dE ." <de techno gmail com>
> Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:06:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Gnome objectives
>
> Hi!
>
>> So, I've this mutter window manager running right now with this pretty
>> looking interface around... but where do I start?... where's the
>> desktop where's my computer... and most importantly, where's the
>> taskbar? To explicitly state if a corporate or someone similar is
>> greeted with such a UI like gnome-shell, he'll drop it completely
>> saying he wants Windows back.
>> In contrast to Gnome 2, you don't even need to train for the new UI
>> (of gnome 2)... it's so obvious and easy.
>
> Let's be honest, we tried to copy the MS Windows experience for ten
> years now without getting any real market share. What's the point in
> continuing it. Do you thing the iPhone was successfull because it was
> like all the other smartphones? No, it was because it had a new and
> clever concept.
>
>> Most people wanna switch between their windows with minimal effort and not
>> -
>> 1) Move the mouse to the left
>> 2) "Guess" which one of the pictures is representing the task bar...
>> in fact he'll think the task bar doesn't exist.
>> 3) Move around the tiny task bar to select your one of the
>> applications which might be running on another desktop.
>
> The task bar doesn't exist. Anyway, take a look at the overview-relayout
> branch to get an impression on how the overview mode will look in the
> final GNOME Shell.
>
>> Let's look at the application menu now. The applications are arranged
>> as if it's a classifieds without any grouping at all... I have to hunt
>> around for my favorite application in it.
>
> This is a known issue and will be fixed until the final version arrives.
>
>> I hope the composting can be turned off for low hardware (I've talking
>> about 512 MB ram and a celeron class processor)
>
> Compositing is a key-part for the usuability concept and as such cannot
> be turned off. Gnome-Shell will work on any hardware sold in the last 5
> years (with Intel, Nvidia or ATI/AMD graphics). RAM is certainly not a
> problem, neither is cpu speed in general as long as there is some kind
> of supported GPU.
>
> Regards,
> Johannes
>
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