Re: Gnome objectives

[Andreas Wallberg <andreas wallberg gmail com>]

I wiped my build directories for Gnome Shell and re-downloaded the
build script. It built successfully on my 64-bit F14 box after
installing a few development libraries along the way that was not
already installed. Try it again from scratch.

/Andreas

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Allan E. Registos
<allan registos smpc steniel com ph> wrote:
> I agree. Fedora 14's jhbuild failed on many steps. Since I am not a
> developer, nor have time to search for fixes, I am only waiting. I agree
> that users must have a window of the current development in order to have a
> proper opinion or feedback. As I think that feedback from _desktop users_
> (non-developers) is very important to developers.
> Cheers,
> Allan
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Andreas Wallberg" <andreas wallberg gmail com>
> To: "Allan E. Registos" <allan registos smpc steniel com ph>
> Cc: "Johannes Schmid" <jhs jsschmid de>, gnome-shell-list gnome org
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:13:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Gnome objectives
>
> Hi all!
>
> As a long-time, advanced user of Linux as the main Desktop OS, I would
> love to provide feedback on the Gnome Shell. I think it has tremendous
> potential but the version in Fedora 14 is certainly rough around the
> edges. I too believe that the project would benefit from user feedback
> early on (you know, release early, release often).
>
> As a user with good intents, it is quite off-putting to get the canned
> response that the version used to file feedback and thoughts on
> usability is outdated compared to what the devs are seeing on their
> own desktops. It just does not fit how many of us think about
> community development. It is unfortunately quite difficult to build
> the Shell on the distributions that I have tried so far, and I suspect
> this is true for others as well. If anyone is able to roll more
> current F14 or Arch Linux packages, for instance, I think sharing
> those packages along with an up-to-date manual to deal with all the
> quirks to get it built, would bring lots of useful feedback from early
> adopters. The jhbuild procedure currently fails on many steps on F14.
>
> Even if the feedback from an individual user may have an overall
> negative feel to it, please remember that the person took the time to
> write and send it to the list because he/she cares about the project.
> The desktop interface is not like a normal, stand-alone application
> but something which sets the terms for all GUI interaction a user has
> with the computer. It is completely expected that there will be
> different opinions on how to design the workflow and solve problems.
> The KDE guys experienced a major backlash with the UI paradigm changes
> with KDE 4.0 and we do not want history to repeat itself with Gnome 3.
> If the users do not seem to "get" a particular design choice, please
> take a few moments to explain them. Gnome has made great progress on
> usability, so I expect there are well thought-out ideas behind most of
> what we see.
>
> Personally, I really like the Shell and would be happy to help out
> building packages or document the procedures on how to get the most
> current "usable" version up and running.
>
> Best regards,
> Andreas
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Allan E. Registos
> <allan registos smpc steniel com ph> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>>The task bar doesn't exist. Anyway, take a look at the overview-relayout
>>>branch to get an impression on how the overview mode will look in the
>>>final GNOME Shell.
>> I will try to keep an open eye of the development. Jhbuild build on Fedora
>> 14 failed, so I am forced to install the distro's GNOME Shell preview
>> package.
>>>Let's be honest, we tried to copy the MS Windows experience for ten
>>>years now without getting any real market share.
>> The copying is inevitable. If you mean desktop market, then:
>> I believe the real reason desktop Linux/ have no significant market share
>> is
>> not due to DE, but of applications.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Allan
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Johannes Schmid" <jhs jsschmid de>
>> To: "dE ." <de techno gmail com>
>> Cc: gnome-shell-list gnome org
>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:06:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Gnome objectives
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>> So, I've this mutter window manager running right now with this pretty
>>> looking interface around... but where do I start?... where's the
>>> desktop where's my computer... and most importantly, where's the
>>> taskbar? To explicitly state if a corporate or someone similar is
>>> greeted with such a UI like gnome-shell, he'll drop it completely
>>> saying he wants Windows back.
>>> In contrast to Gnome 2, you don't even need to train for the new UI
>>> (of gnome 2)... it's so obvious and easy.
>>
>> Let's be honest, we tried to copy the MS Windows experience for ten
>> years now without getting any real market share. What's the point in
>> continuing it. Do you thing the iPhone was successfull because it was
>> like all the other smartphones? No, it was because it had a new and
>> clever concept.
>>
>>> Most people wanna switch between their windows with minimal effort and
>>> not
>>> -
>>> 1) Move the mouse to the left
>>> 2) "Guess" which one of the pictures is representing the task bar...
>>> in fact he'll think the task bar doesn't exist.
>>> 3) Move around the tiny task bar to select your one of the
>>> applications which might be running on another desktop.
>>
>> The task bar doesn't exist. Anyway, take a look at the overview-relayout
>> branch to get an impression on how the overview mode will look in the
>> final GNOME Shell.
>>
>>> Let's look at the application menu now. The applications are arranged
>>> as if it's a classifieds without any grouping at all... I have to hunt
>>> around for my favorite application in it.
>>
>> This is a known issue and will be fixed until the final version arrives.
>>
>>> I hope the composting can be turned off for low hardware (I've talking
>>> about 512 MB ram and a celeron class processor)
>>
>> Compositing is a key-part for the usuability concept and as such cannot
>> be turned off. Gnome-Shell will work on any hardware sold in the last 5
>> years (with Intel, Nvidia or ATI/AMD graphics). RAM is certainly not a
>> problem, neither is cpu speed in general as long as there is some kind
>> of supported GPU.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Johannes
>>
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