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I completely agree with you. The
Ubuntu Netbook Remix approach looks attractive and is really useful: it
gives the indication of what apps you're currently using on the
workspace. That's what the shell lacks at this point. App launching is
great the way it currently is, though I would like to see categories
back that open on overlay. If you've got loads of applications
installed, scrolling through a list can become rather tedious. It is
partly solved by the use of Favourites, but categories would be nice
too. Thanks for your great work so far, I really like the overall idea! Johannes schreef: Hi! OK, let's have a constructive discussion, no ranting... I have followed this taskbar discussion for quite long but have just recently been able to use gnome-shell on my netbook (still driver issues on the desktop computer) with the version included in Fedora 12. As far as I have seen from screenshots this isn't much different to master for the points I want to make. App Switching: The main problem I see here is that we (and Microsoft and Apple kindof) have educated people that there is a task bar and that it is the way to switch between apps. Now using the shell for me is great, it took about half an hour to get used to the overlay concept and on Intel Hardware it is also really fast. Last week though, my roommate (23 years, student, no computer affinity) came home and told me to setup her wireless because her father had reinstalled her computer. To my suprise, he simply dropped Windows and installed Ubuntu on it. Apart from setting up the wireless (which she supposely hadn't managed on Windows anyway) she didn't care much at all because everything worked more or less as expected. I though to myself how long it would have taken her to find out how the workflow is in gnome-shell and I think quite long. Remember, usually nobody helps a new computer user unless he works for some organisation that gives him training. I mostly learning by doing. Using Alt-Tab is no alternative either as for most non-geeks keyboard-shortcut are black-magic. If you sometimes help people writing texts etc. you will really get interesting looks just for using Ctrl-C and friends. So, IMHO it would be great if gnome-shell would include some kind of taskbar. I don't like braincrumps too much and I am more fond of the way Ubuntu Netbook Remix works, with one full name of the focused application and showing only the icon of the others. I think every panel has enough space for such things. Application starting: I personally don't see much problems here. A new user will sooner or later click on "Activities" anyway and things are quite easy to understand from that point. The menu is very slow in the version I use but it was mentioned that things work a bit different now. Starting application is nothing that takes up a bit part of the time you work in front of a computer so even is this might be a bit slower but therefore much nicer to handle and don't think that's a problem. Thanks for reading, Johannes Am Samstag, den 19.12.2009, 11:56 +0300 schrieb Денис Черемисов:Haven't you realized yet that is entirely bad idea about the current gnome-shell? It both sucks to people who doesn't use workspace before (they won't use them in this stuff), and for people who used it (they need _fixed_ workspace combination, not dynamic one). Guys, you better drop this idiotic approach and try to make something useful instead of this ugly slow overlayish horror. I always feel only regressions in usability when I'm trying it: grouped alt+tab sucks, the lack of taskbar, always need to enter ugly overlay to launch something. 2009/12/19 mac_v <drkvi-a yahoo com> On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 23:53 +0000, Bob Hazard wrote: > You are not supposed to use the Browse menu for launching imho, it is > for discovery. > > If an app is not in my favourites I usually launch it by typing the > first three letters and pressing enter; the search box automatically > has focus when you bring up the overlay. > Are you seriously suggesting that the user has to always use keyboard and then launch apps to make use of the shell better ? The shell design is more keyboard friendly.. and thought seems to be going only with making keyboard use better. Which is good . But saying that the user needs to use the keyboard to do an action quicker is not very ideal. Both the keyboard-only and mouse-only users have to be able to do the same action in the easiest/quickest possible way. And forcing either user to change their behavior because the keyboard/mouse offers a quicker alternative isnt very ideal. IMO , categories were much more easier than scrolling through the whole list of apps. Also , we need to find an easier way to trigger the Alt+Tab behavior with a mouse , it is more essential now as we have removed the taskbar. And Zooming out for a simple app switch [within the same desktop] feels a highly distracting . Maybe from right-clicking application menu? [the menu that is to be displayed from the app name] -- Cheers, Vishnoo _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list gnome org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list -- С уважением, Денис Черемисов. _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list gnome org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list_______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list gnome org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list |