Re: All GNOME Shell Developers.

[Ryan Peters <sloshy45 sbcglobal net>]

On 12/18/2009 05:32 PM, Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth wrote:

Good point, it /is/ only two clicks to launch an app from the menu, even if it's sub-categorized.  I don't really think it can be denied that launching apps, just like switching between them, is currently slower and more complicated in shell than it is with a panel/dock.  The question is, how can that be improved?

2009/12/18 Ryan Peters <sloshy45 sbcglobal net>

On 12/18/2009 04:56 PM, Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth wrote:

Reducing the number of key clicks isn't a gain if it means you have a much bigger list to look through.  You can't measure usability purely in number of clicks, or having the categorized menu would never have been an improvement in the first place.

2009/12/18 Sriram Ramkrishna <sri ramkrishna me>

2009/12/18 Mark Curtis <merkinman hotmail com>

Well perhaps it would be best to tackle the individual issues...

I've linked to previous threads on my main issue with GNOME Shell

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-December/msg00052.html

Danté Ashton who started this particular discussion has an issue with:
 "...the user, [having] to perform three extra clicks just to do what it takes me one to do now?"

Денис Черемисов was less descriptive in their issue(s) though.

Precisely why I took him to task.  Back on topic:

In the old method, it would take me 3 clicks to launch an application:
Applications->section->App

so that is three clicks.

In gnome-shell method, we have:

* 1 click for common used apps
* 2 clicks for any other apps

I don't consider going to the overview mode as a click.  But if you did, it would still be 2 or 3 clicks which is equivalent to the old method.

Initially there was categories for the apps, but was changed to a flat scheme which reduced the number of key clicks.

sri

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That doesn't mean that more clicks means it's more usable, though. In Gnome-Shell, if I want to launch an application that isn't on my recently opened applications list, I have a lot more clicks than before.

1. Open Activities (arguably this can be triggered without a click, though)
2. Click "Browse" on the Applications section.
3. Click on the category I want.
4. Sift through a page or two (why the pages!?) to find the application I'm looking for.

This is not intuitive, takes forever (especially considering the speed it opens the menus), and is at least twice as confusing as the method present in the current Gnome stable release.

Also, I only have two clicks to open an application as I am now.

1. Open the applications menu.
2. Highlight the mouse over a menu and when it pops up (you don't need to click it, just like in Windows), click the app you want to open.

There are lots of users that can make use of workspaces, but you shouldn't force them to use them.

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Hmm... how about the left side be an applications menu like before, but the top/bottom could maybe contain Recent Documents/Places? In all honesty I wouldn't mind the new application menu so much as long as I didn't have those dreaded pages... the menu's a little larger than it needs to be, too.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm mad or trolling at all, I apologize.