Re: [Gimp-developer] Reg:Usuage of the Gimp for my Organization

[Nikola M <minikola gmail com>]

Code stays GPL, code gets released, but in practice, binaries can 
include other glued blobs that are not GPL.(after compilation).
Examples are Oracle Solaris and RedHat, SuSE etc. where binaries are 
available by user subscription/payment and binaries usage right are 
clearly different then GPL for source.

BINARIES that are distributed for GPL applications, in practice, does 
not necessary are fully made of GLP source code, because compilers can 
add binary blobs to them and only trust and internal and external audit 
stops compiling party for gluing who knows what into binaries, beside 
GPL code.
GPL is file-based source code free software licence,.you provide copy of 
the license to all users together with source code, but it is of trust 
of distributing party not to end up really with binary blobls attached.

Distributor of compiled parts holds the right to distribute or not 
distribute binaries providing their own distribution rights (Binary 
licence) for compiled work.
Ask Oracle and RedHat where they make money from. From having separate 
commercial rights for distributing binaries. (while providing source).
This is why you are allowed to sell GPL programs binaries on the market 
price, this is exactly what Stallman was doing from day one. Everyone 
gets the source, everyone can contribute and re-release, just my 
distributed binaries cost that much of currency.
And again, ask Oracle and RedHat what is the base of their business - 
distributing binaries that are licensed/have distributor rights to 
provide money for distributor.

There's nothing wrong to sell GPL based products copies and GPL clearly 
states that in the basic licence right.
And in order to sell it, binaries behave like any other binaries and it 
is not the same as the code and user rights.
If I have the right to sell it, I clearly have right to choose Not to 
sell it and that is supported by binary distribution rights of my own. 
(And one can call it license for binaries)

GLP is clearly commercial license that provides commercial use and 
saying it is non-commercial clearly violates GPL.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
"You /can/ charge people a fee to get a copy /from you/ 
<https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney>. You 
can't require people to pay you when they get a copy /from someone else/."
So it is not exclusive, but distributing copies from selling party can 
be priced and that is the base of being commercial.

Example where even one providing clean build environment can end up with 
a binary payload on binaries:
Reflections of trusting trust:
http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf 
<http://www.ece.cmu.edu/%7Eganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf>
Where additionally, choosing the compiler and compiling switches and 
binary blobs chooses the final binaries contents.

Best way to being secure is to have trusted party audit and compile and 
provide binaries
and that is what GIMP like projects and trusted software distributions 
as trusted parties are for.
That kind of support and trust and ability to compile it itself, is what 
is actually valued and payed by the customer.
Only value that is more valuable then that is ability to change software 
, to stay independent with changes and ability to add functionality and 
fix bugs directly in code.
And that is where , looking at it commercially, free software excels and 
is winning proprietary closed products. It is clearly much more valuable 
then proprietary licensed copies.
And GLP allows you to make money from it by distributing and supporting 
binaries for a price. (With your own distribution rights and that is 
clearly functionally the same as the binary license for your distributed 
binaries).

Sry for the length and late response, I mistakenly firstly responded to 
single person instead of the list.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Gez <listas ohweb com ar 
<mailto:listas ohweb com ar>> wrote:

   El vie, 18-09-2015 a las 21:23 -0300, Gez escribió:

    > It has NOTHING to do with the license. The license for GPL licensed
    > work is and will be always GPL unless you're the only person who
    > wrote
    > the original code and therefor you keep the right of re-licensing it
    > to
    > whatever license you want.

   I stand myself corrected. In the above paragraph I made a mistake:
   If you're the rights holder of the original code you're free to
   distribute it with a different license. That's not the same than saying
   that you're free to re-license the GPL code.
   Once you freed it under the GPL terms, others are free to use it and
   you can't forbid them to do what the GPL allows.
   You can, however, use the same code in a program distributed with a
   different license, but that's because you hold the original rights, the
   GPL-licensed code stays GPL.

   Gez.

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