El dc 31 de 05 del 2006 a les 20:38 +0100, en/na Bill Haneman va escriure: > On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 19:25, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: > > > Nobody will be driven away by that, people might be driven away by > > us stating that "you now are part of a community with a code of conduct". > > I don't agree. Every community has a code of conduct, implied or > explicit, IMO. Anyhow, there's no real enforcement mechanism, so I > don't see this as a realistic concern. There is a big difference between implied or explicit. Implied allows several personal lectures. Explicit allows only one lecture. In a project where "freedom" is a key pole of attraction I find really risky to introduce an explicit Code of Conduct. As many have said, it won't probably solve any existing problem and it will probably create new ones. > ANY change or statement with a "policy" feel carries the risk of > alienating *somebody*, but that doesn't mean that embracing anarchy is > better. Do you think GNOME has been embracing anarchy all these years? I mean, I came here for the freedom but I never found the anarchy. There is a big difference between introducing a Code of Conduct in GNOME or doing the same in, say, Ubuntu. The Ubuntu project introduced a Code of Conduct in their earliest stages and it was quickly accepted and assumed by the almost foundational community. Now it's an intrinsic part of the Ubuntu project. But GNOME has lived many years without a Code of Conduct and it is currently a well consolidated community. With problems, sure. But also with mechanisms available to solve problems. Why not work on improving the current mechanisms? Instead, introducing a Code of Conduct at this stage might create division (as you see) instead of consensus, and consensus is the solid foundation of any real change. > Members of a community rarely understand the > aspects of their culture that cause others to be alienated or > disinterested, even if they understand why they themselves feel included > and motivated. This very good sentence you have written about gender issues can be equally applied to the matter of the Code of Conduct as well. You don't know how alienating or disturbing a Code of Conduct can be until you feel alienated or disturbed by one. For instance, have you thought that the sole concept of "Code of Conduct" might be perceived as 'something normal' more probably in countries/groups/individuals with an English background/influence? A quick survey in my Latin/Mediterranean context shows that the main impression is that a free software community with a written Code of Conduct is almost a contradiction per se. Nobody is wrong, nobody is right. This is how diversity works. I believe Codes of Conduct are more unifiers than diversifiers, and I believe GNOME needs now more diversity than union. What keep us under a same umbrella is not a conduct but a principle (free software) and an objective (a great desktop powered with amazing applications). -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org
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