Re: Matrix IRC bridge considered harmful

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel <bwyazel gnome org> wrote:
I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/ I'm not sure which of those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix itself, or which is due to the clients, but I really shouldn't 'have' to know the chat system at that level. My experience has been awful.

Here is my suggestion: fellow Matrix proponents, let's turn off the IRC bridge ASAP. All we've accomplished by running the IRC bridge is convincing GNOME devs that Matrix is awful. I'm pretty sure that all of this negative feedback is about the IRC bridge.

(We also need to fix the fractal bug that causes it to create private rooms set to allow participants to view only messages sent after they have joined the room. I guess fractal is sending the wrong permissions enum value when creating rooms, or something similar to that.)

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel <bwyazel gnome org> wrote:
So, the last thing I'll say is this. As a project that is trying to attract more users, many of whom are young, new to FOSS, and or are non-technology skilled professionals such as artists, designers, writers, etc, is Matrix really the best option? Or do you just want it to be the best option?

It's really the best option.

The problem with Rocket.Chat is that with only a web client, I doubt very many developers would actually be willing to use it. (At least, I don't think I'm the only one who would be hard no to a web client.) And honestly I have no reason to believe Rocket.Chat will exist in five years. Alexandre says it's another silo, rather than an extensively-documented backwards-compatible protocol like Matrix (although since Rocket.Chat is open source, I suppose it might be the best walled garden among walled gardens). Rocket.Chat doesn't seem designed to unify online communication in the same way that Matrix is, and honestly without a desktop client I'd say that alone leaves it far behind IRC. We need to select something that we can really unify our community behind, something that everyone will like, not something that's only going to be used by people who like web clients. In particular, we don't want to wind up with one chat community on Rocket.Chat and another on IRC, which is where we're heading currently if we keep online.


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