On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 16:35 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel <bwyazel gnome org> wrote:I have had horrible experiences with Matrix/Riot.im. I'm not sure which of those is due to the IRC bridge or which is due to Matrix itself, or which is due to the clients, but I really shouldn't 'have' to know the chat system at that level. My experience has been awful.Here is my suggestion: fellow Matrix proponents, let's turn off the IRC bridge ASAP. All we've accomplished by running the IRC bridge is convincing GNOME devs that Matrix is awful. I'm pretty sure that all of this negative feedback is about the IRC bridge.
Yeah, I also think most of the Matrix issues that people see are either related to IRC bridging or that the public servers we rely on were overloaded. So, said differently, I would expect that anyone using a walled garden Rocket.Chat instance (i.e. chat.gnome.org) without all that baggage will have a great user experience in comparison. But, unfortunately, that tells us nothing about which chat system is superior. One could do this comparison properly. But it would need setting up a private Matrix server for GNOME (possibly without Federation) and then checking how well it holds up when compared to Rocket.Chat. I have no idea which option is superior. And that can be a hard question as it might even differ depending on whether your focus is on e.g. short term experience vs. long term technical viability. That said, I would love to see arguments here (for oragainst each chat system) that I can compare in a useful manner. Benjamin PS: I had a nice chat with the Rocket.Chat person at FOSDEM who was keen on getting IRC bridging up and running on their side. He said that when I mentioned that Red Hat had experimented with it. If someone is serious about this, I can pass on the contact.
(We also need to fix the fractal bug that causes it to create private rooms set to allow participants to view only messages sent after they have joined the room. I guess fractal is sending the wrong permissions enum value when creating rooms, or something similar to that.) On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:09 pm, Britt Yazel <bwyazel gnome org> wrote:So, the last thing I'll say is this. As a project that is trying to attract more users, many of whom are young, new to FOSS, and or are non-technology skilled professionals such as artists, designers, writers, etc, is Matrix really the best option? Or do you just want it to be the best option?It's really the best option. The problem with Rocket.Chat is that with only a web client, I doubt very many developers would actually be willing to use it. (At least, I don't think I'm the only one who would be hard no to a web client.) And honestly I have no reason to believe Rocket.Chat will exist in five years. Alexandre says it's another silo, rather than an extensively-documented backwards-compatible protocol like Matrix (although since Rocket.Chat is open source, I suppose it might be the best walled garden among walled gardens). Rocket.Chat doesn't seem designed to unify online communication in the same way that Matrix is, and honestly without a desktop client I'd say that alone leaves it far behind IRC. We need to select something that we can really unify our community behind, something that everyone will like, not something that's only going to be used by people who like web clients. In particular, we don't want to wind up with one chat community on Rocket.Chat and another on IRC, which is where we're heading currently if we keep chat.gnome.org online. Michael _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
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