Re: Proposed module: conduit

[Sriram Ramkrishna <sri aracnet com>]

Want to jump in and acknowledge John's great attitude on defending his
application.  I wouldn't be surprised if he manages to have, if not
already a good community around Conduit.  Attitude counts.

Not to make this completely about John.  I knew initially that I had a
lot of problems getting Conduit working properly and that was about a
year ago.  I was greeted with a blank screen with no particular idea on
how to start.  It was somewhat buggy at the time so I wasn't sure if I
was doing something wrong or if the application was buggy.  Today, I'm
able to set up a synch relationship.  Once you understand that you're
drawing relationships like you would a family tree it becomes a lot
easier and intuitive.  So Conduit has come a long way from a year ago.
There is some UI tweaks and I should spend some time staring at it and
see how it could be improved.

I look forward to the phone synch mechanism which I think it will be a
killer feature that we want on the desktop.

cheers,
sri


On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 09:00 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> Hi John:
> 
> Thank you for your interest in accessibility -- it's a huge milestone 
> when mainstream developers ask "how can *I* do this" versus stating 
> "give me a patch and I'll see if we like it".  Awesome stuff, and 
> accessible design/development is a skill I hope more and more people add 
> to their daily tool bag.
> 
> Li is the AT-SPI infrastructure maintainer and is *very* good.  He will 
> be the best person to help with understanding how to do the work.  I 
> apologize for the sketchy documentation -- we're currently working on 
> improving that as part of the GNOME Outreach Program: Accessibility work.
> 
> Thanks again for your consideration for accessibility!
> 
> Will
> 
> John Stowers wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:37 -0400, Willie Walker wrote:
> >> From Li Yuan regarding a11y:
> >>
> >> "Accessibility is a problem for conduit. The GUI is simple, but the 
> >> left tree view doesn't support keyboard navigation well. Also one has 
> >> to drag some items to the right "sync area", there is no way to do this 
> >> by keyboard. And the "sync area" is not accessible. I suspect 
> >> accessibility work is need by goocanvas.
> > 
> > Yeah, I saw those bugs today. Thanks a lot. I had a few discussions at
> > GUADEC on how to actually implement the appropriate atk interfaces, for
> > the canvas items, using python directly. It seems documentation on how
> > to do this is a bit thin, at least in comparison with the rest of the
> > accessibility+gtk docs, where one can set properties on the widgets
> > directly.
> > 
> > Does anyone have any idea on how to go about doing this?
> > 
> > John
> > 
> >> See: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545429
> >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545430
> >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545431
> >>
> >> Li"
> >>
> >> On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:44 AM, Murray Cumming wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 23:49 +1200, John Stowers wrote:
> >>>>> So with what sites can I easily sync my data (from what desktop
> >>>>> applications)?
> >>>> The following is a partial list of non-pim sync functionality
> >>> I just tried Conduit (version 0.3.6 in Ubuntu Hardy) and I don't think
> >>> it's at all easy. I failed to figure out how to upload (or sync) photos
> >>> from a local folder to flickr. I did manage to drag rectangles for
> >>> flickr and a folder to the canvas.
> >>>
> >>> It seems roughly comparable to using the gstreamer pipeline editor
> >>> instead of using Totem. We can't possibly present this as an 
> >>> application
> >>> for users. Major -1 from me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't like assistants (wizards) but I guess that this would be better
> >>> with an additional assistant, guiding people through the choices
> >>> somehow. For instance:
> >>>
> >>> Page 1:
> >>> Synchronize to web or to device:
> >>>
> >>> [] Website
> >>> [] Palm Pilot
> >>> [] Windows CE Device
> >>> [] Nokia Internet Tablet
> >>> [] Mobile Phone
> >>>
> >>> Page 2 (Website):
> >>>
> >>> Choose Folder.
> >>>
> >>> Synchronize this folder to:
> >>>
> >>> Photos:
> >>> [] Flickr
> >>> [] Picasa
> >>> etc
> >>>
> >>> Videos:
> >>> [] YouTube
> >>> [] Google Video
> >>> etc
> >>>
> >>> General Files:
> >>> [] Box.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> == Photos ==
> >>>> FSpot/eye of gnome/nautilus/folder <-->
> >>>>  * Flickr
> >>>>  * Picasa
> >>>>  * SmugMug
> >>>>  * ShutterFly
> >>>>  * Facebook
> >>>>  * iPod Phots
> >>>>
> >>>> == Videos ==
> >>>> totem/nautilus/folder -->
> >>>>  * Youtube
> >>>>  * iPod Video
> >>>>  * nxxx
> >>>>
> >>>> == Files ==
> >>>> * file/folder <--> file/folder
> >>>> * Box.net
> >>>> * S3 support (eta: 1 week)
> >>>> * Google Documents
> >>>>
> >>>> == Notes ==
> >>>> Tomboy Notes <-->
> >>>> * Backpack Notes
> >>>> * File/Folder
> >>>>
> >>>> == Misc ==
> >>>> * RSS feed enclosures
> >>>> * Desktop settings (GConf)
> >>>>
> >>>> There is also network sync functionality that allows two PCs to sync
> >>>> peer to peer any of the above listed data.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have not gone into the other sync permutations possible, and I am
> >>>> certain I have left some items out.
> >>> -- 
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> >>> www.openismus.com
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