Re: International Space Station Images

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Maxim Udushlivy wrote:

> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:52:05 +0400
> From: Maxim Udushlivy <maxim udushlivy gmail com>
> To: Murray Cumming <murrayc murrayc com>
> Cc: desktop-devel-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: International Space Station Images
> Murray Cumming wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> >> A fight because bullsh*t is a cancer. For another example check this
> >> "review" that puts gtkmm not only above other wrappers but almost on one
> >> level with GTK+ itself:
> >>
> >>
> >> This article is a direct result of gtkmm presentation that tries to
> >> expose that wrapper as a savior by lowering GTK+. This cancer is being
> >> spread for years and the campaign has a deafening success, I myself was
> >> hypnotized once.
> >>
> > [snip]
> >
> > This is so vague that it's difficult to respond. I assume that you object
> > to gtkmm developers suggesting that people use gtkmm instead of GTK+ to
> > developer applications. So I'll note that
> > - The GTK+ developers recommend that people use language bindings to
> > develop applications. They say it's easier.
> > - gtkmm is meant for people who like C++. It's obviously better than GTK+
> > for C++ coders.
> > So I'm not sure what the charges against me are.
> >
> > To your other points: People (me included) don't seem to understand what
> > you are suggesting or the implications of it, and are offended by their
> > understanding so far. When that happens it's best to calmly think again
> > about how you are presenting it. If people still don't agree with you then
> > that's life. We all have different opinions and we can't all fight about
> > them. Some people call that politics, but it's just getting things done.
> >
> > Murray Cumming
> > murrayc murrayc com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Murray, I was thinking once that you present gtkmm as something superior
> to GTK+ on purpose, but recently I changed my opinion. Your desire to
> expose gtkmm in the most advantageous fashion is understandable. But how
> can you explain this phrase from gtkmm website: "gtkmm is a GUI toolkit
> and nothing more, and it strives to be the best C++ GUI toolkit"? There
> are also strange things in gtkmm FAQ, for example "why use gtkmm instead
> of GTK+" - note the word "instead". If that all was said unconsciously,
> may be it's time to make gtkmm more loyal to GTK+? My negative attitude
> towards gtkmm was increased also after somebody started a (paid?) google
> ad campaign promoting a gtkmm tutorial chapter about Glade.
> Regarding my proposals... I said that I want to retire from free
> software (I have a different mentality), so I hope nobody could accuse
> me that I seek selfish gains here. I gathered some knowledge during
> development of Gideon and I wanted to share it with the Gnome community.
> Oliver Stone said recently that he criticizes America because he loves
> it.

He what???

I've seen "World Trade Center" and it may not be as crass as most American
movies but it sure as hell doesn't criticize America.  It does not address
issues behind why America was attacked and it glorifies a gung-ho marine
who is dead set on vengance (and in the final credits makes a spurious
reference about the two terms he servered in Iraq like as if Iraq had a
damned thing to do with September 11th).

(This is wildly offtopic so I post offlist but if Oliver Stone really
things his latest film was critical of America than he must be taking even
more drugs than the rumours suggest.)

Alan H.

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