Re: International Space Station Images

["Elijah Newren" <newren gmail com>]

On 9/19/06, Maxim Udushlivy <maxim udushlivy gmail com> wrote:
> That was done on purpose due to a strange list inactivity. I am still

So you intentionally wasted everyone's time?  You're right[1], we do
need stronger list moderation.  Please don't do that again.

> hoping to get your replies to other my messages. Also I am ready to
> unsubscribe without feeling insulted, just give me a hint (-;

Alright, if you just need a response...  Let me first start by saying,
thank you for being willing to contribute Gideon and GuiLoader to
Gnome[2].  It looks like a very positive offer, though it will take a
while to evaluate to determine whether to mark it part of core Gnome
or part of the bigger umbrella (like AbiWord or GIMP or something).
That it will take a while to evaluate is not unique to your module,
rather, it's true of all module proposals.

Now, I'll try to explain why you might have found people didn't want
to respond to many of your emails.  I hope I don't come across as
offensive.  You might note that people likely started ignoring your
emails when you demonstrated a lack of understanding of several ideals
of the community[3].  That you also decided that you needed to fix
Gnome probably didn't help.  ("You guys are doing it all wrong" often
doesn't come across well[4])  I found it somewhat surprising that you
complained about too much bureaucracy and politics[5] and would prefer
getting work done, yet just about all I could see you getting involved
with was bureaucracy and politics.  Many, just wanting to get work
done, decided to do work rather than get caught up spending all their
time emailing.

I hope that helps,
Elijah


[1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-September/msg00228.html

[2] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00241.html

[3] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00258.html

[4] I'm not saying that's how you meant it to come across.  In fact,
I'm convinced you didn't mean it that way.  However, it's nearly
impossible to come across any other way when you're new.  "Political"
changes typically require well known people in the community to stand
up and say "hey guys; here's where I think we have a problem...and
here's some ways we might fix it."  Even with the latter, though, it
can be exceptionally difficult.  Look at Havoc's posts over the last
year about target audience.  He has a lot of clout, and I think you'll
find just about everyone agrees with him that we need to pick a target
audience.  That doesn't mean it's a simple problem or easy to do.

[5] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00272.html