Re: International Space Station Images

["Elijah Newren" <newren gmail com>]

Hi Maxim,

I think I probably came across too harshly in my previous email.  I'm
a bit prickly.  Hopefully I do a bit better this time, but, knowing
me, no guarantees.  ;-)

On 9/19/06, Maxim Udushlivy <maxim udushlivy gmail com> wrote:
> I think it is obvious that Gnome owes to GTK+ its very existence.

Yes, it's at the very base, all our apps depend on it, we love it, and
we're trying to remove other libraries in Gnome and instead making
them part of GTK+.

> How can you explain this page:
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArchitecture/Overview

I had no knowledge that it existed; it looks to me like Nickolay is
just trying to make some high-level description of the documentation
for others.  It looks like a very good first cut.  You might want to
give him any suggestions for improvement that you have.

> Scroll down to "Near future - the 2.16 platform" and try to find GTK+ on
> the diagram. There is something called "UI Library Project Ridely" under
> "Gnome Platform" section. At the same time "Gnome Bindings" lists GTK+
> wrappers using their full names.
>
> It seems to me that Gnome is digging a grave for GTK+. What attitude can
> you expect from me now?

It almost seems like you're looking for a fight.  Why?  What's the
point in grabbing some obscure page written by a single person (append
"?action=info" to the url to see the list of changes and who made
them), trying to find something that you might be able to construe as
showing devious intent (rather than asking the author of the page what
he actually intended; I strongly doubt Nickolay had any such
intentions), and then ascribing that position to all of Gnome to boot?
And, as far as I can tell, you have done so without asking any GTK+
developers whether they feel this way (I'm pretty certain they'd say
the opposite, knowing several of them and having made a couple small
contributions myself).  Your claim that Gnome is trying to dig a grave
for GTK+ is preposterous, to say the least.

> Also you said that I myself was involved in bureaucracy and politics.
> No, I wasn't.

In the last three weeks or so, you proposed that the project should
create a different leadership structure[1], that we should abandon
free/open source software as ideals[2], and that the HIG should be
discarded ("I disagree with HIG existence"[3]).  How exactly is that
not spending your time on bureaucracy and politics?

> I don't understand many things about "Free Desktops" and
> before Gideon can be contributed (if ever) I think I also have rights to
> evaluate Gnome for the subject of being a comfortable place for me
> personally.

Absolutely.  May I suggest that an effective way to learn about Gnome
is to get involved with the various projects that make up Gnome?  (It
seems to have worked well for me, anyway)  Just browse on over to
http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome, and follow the links from there.  Not
only are there many projects that can make use of your development
skills, there's also a lot of non-coding projects that you can join as
well.  I believe you have skills that could help a lot of projects on
both sides of the spectrum.

Cheers,
Elijah

[1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-September/msg00228.html
[2] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00258.html
[3] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00269.html