Re: International Space Station Images

[Maxim Udushlivy <maxim udushlivy gmail com>]

Elijah Newren wrote:
> On 9/19/06, Maxim Udushlivy <maxim udushlivy gmail com> wrote:
> > That was done on purpose due to a strange list inactivity. I am still
>
> So you intentionally wasted everyone's time?  You're right[1], we do
> need stronger list moderation.  Please don't do that again.
>
> > hoping to get your replies to other my messages. Also I am ready to
> > unsubscribe without feeling insulted, just give me a hint (-;
>
> Alright, if you just need a response...  Let me first start by saying,
> thank you for being willing to contribute Gideon and GuiLoader to
> Gnome[2].  It looks like a very positive offer, though it will take a
> while to evaluate to determine whether to mark it part of core Gnome
> or part of the bigger umbrella (like AbiWord or GIMP or something).
> That it will take a while to evaluate is not unique to your module,
> rather, it's true of all module proposals.
>
> Now, I'll try to explain why you might have found people didn't want
> to respond to many of your emails.  I hope I don't come across as
> offensive.  You might note that people likely started ignoring your
> emails when you demonstrated a lack of understanding of several ideals
> of the community[3].  That you also decided that you needed to fix
> Gnome probably didn't help.  ("You guys are doing it all wrong" often
> doesn't come across well[4])  I found it somewhat surprising that you
> complained about too much bureaucracy and politics[5] and would prefer
> getting work done, yet just about all I could see you getting involved
> with was bureaucracy and politics.  Many, just wanting to get work
> done, decided to do work rather than get caught up spending all their
> time emailing.
>
> I hope that helps,
> Elijah
>
>
> [1] 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-September/msg00228.html 
>
>
> [2] 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00241.html 
>
>
> [3] 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00258.html 
>
>
> [4] I'm not saying that's how you meant it to come across.  In fact,
> I'm convinced you didn't mean it that way.  However, it's nearly
> impossible to come across any other way when you're new.  "Political"
> changes typically require well known people in the community to stand
> up and say "hey guys; here's where I think we have a problem...and
> here's some ways we might fix it."  Even with the latter, though, it
> can be exceptionally difficult.  Look at Havoc's posts over the last
> year about target audience.  He has a lot of clout, and I think you'll
> find just about everyone agrees with him that we need to pick a target
> audience.  That doesn't mean it's a simple problem or easy to do.
>
> [5] 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00272.html 
Thanks, Elijah for the reply: it is a bit harsh but I like honesty and 
hate "political correctness". Now I see that as a newcomer I have a 
little chance to be heard. But that's my pesky personality: I think that 
sensible things are valuable even in the mouth of a stranger. Looks like 
Gnome tradition is different and I am not questioning it.

You described my attitude as "You guys are doing it all wrong" and this 
is true, I have it. Too much confusion is floating around Gnome. I 
already mentioned a couple of points earlier, and here I will add yet 
another about GTK+.

I think it is obvious that Gnome owes to GTK+ its very existence. How 
can you explain this page:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArchitecture/Overview

Scroll down to "Near future - the 2.16 platform" and try to find GTK+ on 
the diagram. There is something called "UI Library Project Ridely" under 
"Gnome Platform" section. At the same time "Gnome Bindings" lists GTK+ 
wrappers using their full names.

It seems to me that Gnome is digging a grave for GTK+. What attitude can 
you expect from me now?

Also you said that I myself was involved in bureaucracy and politics. 
No, I wasn't. I don't understand many things about "Free Desktops" and 
before Gideon can be contributed (if ever) I think I also have rights to 
evaluate Gnome for the subject of being a comfortable place for me 
personally.