Re: International Space Station Images

[Maxim Udushlivy <maxim udushlivy gmail com>]

Elijah Newren wrote:

> > Scroll down to "Near future - the 2.16 platform" and try to find GTK+ on
> > the diagram. There is something called "UI Library Project Ridely" under
> > "Gnome Platform" section. At the same time "Gnome Bindings" lists GTK+
> > wrappers using their full names.
> >
> > It seems to me that Gnome is digging a grave for GTK+. What attitude can
> > you expect from me now?
>
> It almost seems like you're looking for a fight.  Why?  What's the
> point in grabbing some obscure page written by a single person (append
> "?action=info" to the url to see the list of changes and who made
> them), trying to find something that you might be able to construe as
> showing devious intent (rather than asking the author of the page what
> he actually intended; I strongly doubt Nickolay had any such
> intentions), and then ascribing that position to all of Gnome to boot?
> And, as far as I can tell, you have done so without asking any GTK+
> developers whether they feel this way (I'm pretty certain they'd say
> the opposite, knowing several of them and having made a couple small
> contributions myself).  Your claim that Gnome is trying to dig a grave
> for GTK+ is preposterous, to say the least.
A fight because bullsh*t is a cancer. For another example check this 
"review" that puts gtkmm not only above other wrappers but almost on one 
level with GTK+ itself:
http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/928

This article is a direct result of gtkmm presentation that tries to 
expose that wrapper as a savior by lowering GTK+. This cancer is being 
spread for years and the campaign has a deafening success, I myself was 
hypnotized once.

> > Also you said that I myself was involved in bureaucracy and politics.
> > No, I wasn't.
>
> In the last three weeks or so, you proposed that the project should
> create a different leadership structure[1], that we should abandon
> free/open source software as ideals[2], and that the HIG should be
> discarded ("I disagree with HIG existence"[3]).  How exactly is that
> not spending your time on bureaucracy and politics?
[1] - I proposed a change in a leadership but I was not proposing myself 
as a leader. And this is not even a change in a leadership, but an 
extension: additional position above current structures, a Moderator
[2] - I don't understand how does this abandon foss ideals.
[3] - I changed my opinion later (the second paragraph): 
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00275.html
> [1] 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-September/msg00228.html 
>
> [2] 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00258.html 
>
> [3] 
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-August/msg00269.html