Re: [Vala] Removal of Mono

[Jiří Zárevúcky <zarevucky jiri gmail com>]

Ah, ok, I'm sorry for my impulsive response. I may have implied a
thing or two from following parts:

Subject: Removal of Mono
-- What the hell?

"It may be prudent to keep a weather eye open for the removal of mono on
the horizon."
-- As with the subject, this implies you want Mono removed.

"Sure, we don't want Vala spoiling by mono"
-- This, on the other hand, implies you consider Mono as something bad
that would spoil Vala.

"I'm not advocating the vala be able to compile C# code"
-- You're suggesting it. Otherwise you would mention that possibility at all.

Along with that, Vala and C# are different languages with different
principles and different target audiences. People wanting to switch
just for the purpose of not using Mono logically must be either stupid
or mono-haters.

Anyway. With the kind of things those anti-mono guys are writing
lately, I may have switched into an "anti-anti-mono" mode a bit too
early. Sorry about that. Just shows how these people spread hate among
peaceful guys like me. :)

Regarding your original post, there is really nothing to "keep a
weather eye open" related to Mono. You can just look forward to a
stable version and see it mature.

Dne 26. červen 2009 13:48 Sam Liddicott <sam liddicott com> napsal(a):
> * Jiří Zárevúcky wrote, On 26/06/09 12:28:
> > Ah, another one of the anti-mono guys. Sigh...
>
> Ah, another one of those guys who sees anti-mono guys everywhere.
>
> > Let me tell you, that from the sole principle of how Vala works, it
> > will never be possible to convert C# code in a mechanistic fashion.
>
> Of course it will, it just won't compile or run.
>
> > You could maybe try creating some sort of automatic converter, which
> > wouldn't work anyway, as it would result in a lot of bugs, inferior
> > performance and (in better case) memory leaks.
>
> You could try this too. I think I'll wait to see if there is a need.
>
> > Just the possibility of
> > "Vala being able to compile C# code" is so ridiculous I wonder who
> > came up with that.
>
> I've never heard the idea suggested, and I didn't suggest it. It seems
> you are the one who came up with it.
>
> I wish you had read my message. In it I acknowledged some of these points.
>
> I think you read the message you thought I had written.
>
> But there will be some language features of C# which are not within the
> vala philosphy or language direction but which might be supported and
> thus making some migration easier; I merely suggest keeping an open eye
> for these.
>
> I don't expect any mechanistically converted C# to "compile and work"
> with Vala, but it could be valid vala, with the parts that need
> re-working annotated.
>
> > Anyway. Why hating Mono?
>
> I don't hate mono (although I prefer Vala). I wrote a nice mono
> application for controlling my USB experimenter board.
>
> > Mono is a great software platform and people
> > will use it no matter what MS-haters say about it.
>
> Good for them. (And me, I'm one of them).
>
> > Get over it people.
>
> Get over what? I don't understand your attitude in this response!
>
> I merely advocated keeping a weather eye open in case we could help a
> migration from mono. I don't advocate that we actually DO anything.
>
> Sam
>
> > 2009/6/26 Sam Liddicott <sam liddicott com>:
> >
> > > It may be prudent to keep a weather eye open for the removal of mono on
> > > the horizon.
> > >
> > > Vala is excellent, and I prefer it to mono; however it may become
> > > pricelessly important that mono code can be converted to vala in a
> > > mechanistic fashion.
> > > I'm talking about language features, not library dependencies and linkages.
> > >
> > > Sure, we don't want Vala spoiling by mono, and I'm not advocating the
> > > vala be able to compile C# code; I'm not advocating anything specific...
> > >
> > > ..just to keep a weather eye open...
> > >
> > > [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/keep_a_weather_eye_open]
> > >
> > > Sam
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