Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library
- From: slawek <omega496 wp pl>
- To: Allan Caeg <allancaeg ubuntu com>
- Cc: usability gnome org
- Subject: Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library
- Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:42:13 +0200
Many years ago I have started working on Libgreat Tao, but I forgot
about this project very quickly.
I try to find little spare of time and public source code of my library.
Sławomir Lach,
Poland.
Dnia 2010-09-08, śro o godzinie 13:39 +0800, Allan Caeg pisze:
> I like it.
>
> I'll tell Celeste about this later. Is that okay? :)
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Bridger <kbridger shaw ca> wrote:
> I think there are two paths to start down:
>
> 1 - Find a pattern library we all like and want to grow
> from/use. "We all" being the various desktop teams. This
> would be a cross-team initiative so we may need to start with
> just getting representation.
>
> 2 - Begin/continue building the Gnome library based on the
> existing pattern approach in the newest HIG. There may be
> some changes made to the HIG page template if we look at it
> from the point of view of instantiating a pattern. Reference
> the pattern rather than recreate it - delve into the details
> of the solution.
>
>
> Perhaps a third path: document and clarify the difference
> between the two things. Gain acceptance of this approach with
> other desktop teams, etc.
>
>
> The third one might be the most important to start right now.
> I'll certainly offer to help out with #3 to begin with!
>
> How does this sound? Any thoughts, refinements, or other
> ideas?
>
>
> Kirk
>
>
>
> On 09/07/2010 08:28 PM, Allan Caeg wrote:
> > I agree with Kirk. The two desktops can share the same UI
> > patterns, but they may have different "components" or
> > whatever it's called.
> >
> > Where do you think can we start?
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Kirk Bridger
> > <kbridger shaw ca> wrote:
> > I'm actually tackling a similar problem in my "real
> > job" right now.
> >
> > I foundthis to be an interesting look at what a
> > pattern library is and what it should not be. It's
> > a quick read that could then lead to an interesting
> > discussion.
> >
> > For example, button ordering might not belong at the
> > level of a pattern as it doesn't really describe a
> > problem and solution, but rather an implementation
> > of a component (or whatever term can be used).
> >
> > So perhaps the pattern library itself could be
> > cross-desktop, and a more implementation-focused
> > library be created for each of the various desktops?
> >
> > If we're setting the pattern library to be so high
> > level though it really behooves us to look at the
> > other pattern libraries out there to see if we could
> > just adopt an existing one rather than re-inventing
> > the wheel.
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 09/06/2010 11:28 PM, Allan Caeg wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > Remember the Compliance to GNOME UI Patterns of
> > > Cross-Platform Apps thread? I emailed Celeste Lyn
> > > Paul from the KDE Usability team about the
> > > possibility of working on a cross-desktop UI
> > > Pattern library. This way, Cross-platform apps
> > > like Firefox would conform to UI patterns that are
> > > applicable to different desktop environments and
> > > it may mean more people working on the UI Pattern
> > > Library. Looks like she's interested.
> > >
> > > How do you think can we do this? Also, who else
> > > (other than KDE usability) do we communicate with?
> > >
> > > You can find Celeste's email below.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Allan
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Celeste Lyn Paul <celeste kde org>
> > > Date: Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM
> > > Subject: Re: UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Apps
> > > To: allancaeg ubuntu com
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Allan,
> > >
> > > KDE has a few patterns listed in the HIG. It is a
> > > project we started 3
> > > years ago, but lost the contributors who were
> > > working on them. I think
> > > having a cross-desktop library of UI patterns is a
> > > great idea. Let me
> > > know how Gnome plans on working this out with
> > > other projects.
> > >
> > > ~ Celeste
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Celeste Lyn Paul
> > > <seele obso1337 org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone.
> > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > >
> > > > From: Allan Caeg <allancaeg ubuntu com>
> > > > Date: September 3, 2010 2:50:06 EDT
> > > > To: seele obso1337 org
> > > > Subject: UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Apps
> > > >
> > > > Hello Celeste,
> > > >
> > > > The GNOME Usability Team is currently working on
> > > UI Patterns (see
> > > > http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3 ,
> > > > http://live.gnome.org/User%20Interface%
> > > 20Patterns , and
> > > > http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns). My work
> > > as the UX Advocate for
> > > > Firefox exposed an issue related to it. I
> > > started a discussion with GNOME
> > > > Usability people on whether or not
> > > cross-platform apps should follow the UI
> > > > Patterns. They seem to agree that cross-platform
> > > apps should comply to the
> > > > patterns.
> > > >
> > > > My concern now is for other environments
> > > especially KDE. I believe that we
> > > > can work together in generating UI patterns.
> > > This way, we can make
> > > > cross-platform apps comply so they will fit
> > > nicely in KDE and GNOME. I don't
> > > > specialize in toolkits, but it seems that a
> > > shared UI Pattern Library could
> > > > work.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think can we do? :)
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Allan Caeg
> > > > http://www.google.com/profiles/allancaeg#about
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Celeste Lyn Paul
> > > KDE Usability Project
> > > KDE e.V. Board of Directors
> > > www.kde.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > --
> > Regards,
> > Allan
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> > +63 918 948 2520
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Allan
> http://www.google.com/profiles/allancaeg#about
> +63 918 948 2520
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