I'll tell Celeste about this later. Is that okay? :)
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Bridger <kbridger shaw ca> wrote:
I think there are two paths to start down:
1 - Find a pattern library we all like and want to grow from/use. "We
all" being the various desktop teams. This would be a cross-team
initiative so we may need to start with just getting representation.
2 - Begin/continue building the Gnome library based on the existing
pattern approach in the newest HIG. There may be some changes made to
the HIG page template if we look at it from the point of view of
instantiating a pattern. Reference the pattern rather than recreate it
- delve into the details of the solution.
Perhaps a third path: document and clarify the difference between the
two things. Gain acceptance of this approach with other desktop teams,
etc.
The third one might be the most important to start right now. I'll
certainly offer to help out with #3 to begin with!
How does this sound? Any thoughts, refinements, or other ideas?
Kirk
On 09/07/2010 08:28 PM, Allan Caeg wrote:
I agree with Kirk. The two desktops can share the same UI
patterns, but they may have different "components" or whatever it's
called.
Where do you think can we start?
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Kirk Bridger
<kbridger shaw ca> wrote:
I'm actually tackling a similar problem in my "real job" right now.
For example, button ordering might not belong at the level of a pattern
as it doesn't really describe a problem and solution, but rather an
implementation of a component (or whatever term can be used).
So perhaps the pattern library itself could be cross-desktop, and a
more implementation-focused library be created for each of the various
desktops?
If we're setting the pattern library to be so high level though it
really behooves us to look at the other pattern libraries out there to
see if we could just adopt an existing one rather than re-inventing the
wheel.
Kirk
On 09/06/2010 11:28 PM, Allan Caeg wrote:
Hello!
Remember the Compliance to GNOME UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Apps
thread? I emailed Celeste Lyn Paul from the KDE Usability team about
the possibility of working on a cross-desktop UI Pattern library. This
way, Cross-platform apps like Firefox would conform to UI patterns that
are applicable to different desktop environments and it may mean more
people working on the UI Pattern Library. Looks like she's interested.
How do you think can we do this? Also, who else (other than KDE
usability) do we communicate with?
You can find Celeste's email below.
Best Regards,
Allan
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Celeste Lyn Paul<celeste kde org>
Date: Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Apps
To: allancaeg ubuntu com
Hi Allan,
KDE has a few patterns listed in the HIG. It is a project we started 3
years ago, but lost the contributors who were working on them. I think
having a cross-desktop library of UI patterns is a great idea. Let me
know how Gnome plans on working this out with other projects.
~ Celeste
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Celeste Lyn Paul <seele obso1337 org>
wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Allan Caeg <allancaeg ubuntu com>
> Date: September 3, 2010 2:50:06 EDT
> To: seele obso1337 org
> Subject: UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Apps
>
> Hello Celeste,
>
> The GNOME Usability Team is currently working on UI Patterns (see
> http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3
,
> http://live.gnome.org/User%20Interface%20Patterns
, and
> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns).
My
work as the UX Advocate for
> Firefox exposed an issue related to it. I started a discussion
with GNOME
> Usability people on whether or not cross-platform apps should
follow the UI
> Patterns. They seem to agree that cross-platform apps should
comply to the
> patterns.
>
> My concern now is for other environments especially KDE. I believe
that we
> can work together in generating UI patterns. This way, we can make
> cross-platform apps comply so they will fit nicely in KDE and
GNOME. I don't
> specialize in toolkits, but it seems that a shared UI Pattern
Library could
> work.
>
> What do you think can we do? :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Allan Caeg
> http://www.google.com/profiles/allancaeg#about
>
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Celeste Lyn Paul
KDE Usability Project
KDE e.V. Board of Directors www.kde.org
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