Re: [Feature Freeze] Last things about 1.5.0

[Christopher Roy Bratusek <zanghar freenet de>]

Am Sat, 30 May 2009 14:35:41 +0900 (JST)
schrieb Teika Kazura <teika lavabit com>:

> Hi.
> 
> On Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50:43 +0200, Christopher Roy Bratusek wrote:
> > It's time for the feature-freeze of 1.5.0!
> 
> Natürlich. (Sure.)

google-translate or already known? :)

> 
> I think we have to concentrate on tab and configurator non-printed 
> letter problems. Tab is clear.
> 
> I investigate more on the configurator issue, but there're at
> least two probs:
> * Label is broken, for non-english letters like é. Other widgets look
>   okay. (Very strange. Why?)
> * Japanese & Chinese, at least, have a peculiar problem, again *labels
>   only*. All translated strings are replaced by
>   "Project-Id-Version..." (lasts several lines!), which appear under
>   first "msgstr" of po/ja.po . This was introduced by A I Froloff's
>   patch, commited on May 3. Before that, nothing were printed. (You
>   can't conclude it's wrong, because non-english is not printed
>   anyway.) So it may be a regression, but not sure. (I don't speak
>   Chinese.)
> 

Alexeys patch is not the issue for that wrongly translated string, first
msgstr should be empty, but intltool - ugly as it is - fills it, on the
other hand intltool trimms down the number of strings to translate
(only the ones we mark, not all like before) and the
gnome-translation-team won't do work on sawfish without it.

> Broken configurator is a disaster. If it remains in the 1.5.0, it's
> quite likely to lose sawfish users. So it MUST BE fixed.
> 
> I'd like to remind ourselves one more point. Recent release were done
> in relaxed manner. It's ok, but for 1.5, we should at least make
> efforts to make the release error-free, because the release is not
> for the community, but we're responisble for the whole world. We
> should release only once. (I mean the release be ok, not strictly
> bug-free sawfish.)
> 
> So we've got to release a candidate, and compilation tests are needed.
> And if user doc remains the same, we have to delete it from the
> release, or at least put the notice "Still a draft, sorry." Etc, etc.
> 

For sure.

> 
> Other goals are lesser, and we can simply postpone them for 1.5.1, in
> my opinion.
> 
> > About the "new" Sawfish-UI ... as in the Proposed_Goals, the reason
> > why only double clicks are accepted[...]
> > 
> > so is there the need for the GtkTreeView() for 1.5.0, or is it
> > enough in 1.5.1? [...] (just for the record, since some already
> > said, that they don't want 1.5.0 to delay)
> 
> "somebody", it's me? :) I'd say the Gtktree rework is for 1.5.1.
> I don't like too much interval between the last release and 1.5.
> But if it turns out easy, don't hesitate.
> 

Well ok. ... This weekend I'll have a look at MPlayers source (it has
the old GtkTree() in the playlist browser ::::but it supports
single-clicks::::) so perhaps that may already be ready for 1.5 without
much work on rep-gtk.

> Anyway it's good to review rep-gtk, so please swing your magic rod for
> us in near future. We're not sure for rep-gtk status. If the rework
> reveals something more, please report them.
> 

rep-gtk is TOTALLY outdated, no real pango, no cairo, no gtkbuilder, no
treeview, no combobox, not all glib stuff (well all what we need for
sawfish is implemented, but it's limiting us). So we need to settle a
minimum GTK+ and I'll then try to implement it's API. I would say 2.12,
with optional 2.14/2.16/2.18 (after 2.12 is implemented), depending on
the version detected by configure, this is a lot of work so don't
expect any early results.

> > A)
> > 
> > Mark all strings that should be translated with (_ )
> > eg "sawfish is great" -> (_ "sawfish is great")
> 
> I don't know what is 'all', but at least all in configurator GUI. Most
> of the work is simple, but needs continuous work. Better assign to
> someone.

all = everystring displayed by sawfish in any way (menu + ui + blah)

> 
> > B)
> > 
> > Fix the open bugs:
> > http://sawfish.wikia.com/wiki/Proposed_Goals#Open_Bugs
> > 
> > It would be nice if everyone could have a look at that list.
> 
> Bugs other than configurator is not immediate, so we can skip.
> 
> > C)
> > 
> > Polishing the docs: 
> > - Anything going to do for the userdoc, GSR?
> 
> I'd say 1.5.1. We haven't got immediate task to confront, so I'll be
> able to attach myself to it.
> 
> > D)
> > 
> > Fix compat.jl (it's incorrect)
> 
> Derek says it's not urgent. I think Sawfish needs revision anyway, and
> I don't think this file is not so special. So this is one of long-term
> goals.
> 
> > E)
> > 
> > Final re-ordering of options in sawfish-ui
>  
> > F)
> > 
> > What is with the tabsystem? Anyone going to rewrite/improve it?
> 
> Please report bugs you've noticed, at ML or in wiki. (Page 'Tab' is
> there.)
> 

nothing not yet known.

> > Thanks for reading,
> 
> Thank you for raising the issue :) And thank you all for reading.
> 
> Teika (Teika kazura)
>